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The Trouble with Money

Post by denjohn » Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:34 am

Quotes from: http://www.chrismartenson.com/blog/trouble-money/73469
A Broken Narrative

Recently I was asked by a high school teacher if I had any ideas about why students today seem so apathetic when it comes to engaging with the world around them. I waggishly responded, "Probably because they're smart."

In my opinion, we're asking our young adults to step into a story that doesn't make any sense.

Sure, we can grow the earth's population to 9 billion (and probably will), and sure, we can extract our natural gas and oil resources as fast as possible, and sure, we can continue to pile on official debts at a staggering pace -- but why are we doing all this? Even more troubling, what do we say to our youth when they ask what role they should play in this story -- a story with a plot line they didn't get to write?

So far, the narrative we're asking them to step into sounds a lot like this: Study hard, go to college, maybe graduate school. And when you get out, not only will you be indebted to your education loans and your mortgage, but you'll be asked to help pay back trillions and trillions of debt to cover the decisions of those who came before you. All while operating within a crumbling, substandard infrastructure. Oh, and by the way, the government and corporate sector appear to have no real interest in your long-term future; you're on your own there.

Yeah, I happen to think apathy is a perfectly sane response to that story. Thanks, but no thanks.

To understand how our national narrative evolved (or, more accurately, devolved) to become so unappealing, we have to take an honest look at money.
Money is Not Wealth

Money is just a marker for real things. As long as you can exchange your money for real things, your money represents value. Because we tend to conduct all of our most meaningful transactions using money, our perspective can become warped to the point that we think it is the money itself that has value.

The economy is measured in these units, these markers, which we call "money." But money is not the same thing as the economy. Far from it. And money has no value on its own, but only in relation to the things we can exchange it for.

The economy consists of real needs and wants being fulfilled. On one end of the spectrum, we have the basics like food, water, shelter, medical care, and other necessities. On the other end of the spectrum, we have 15-minute neck massages at the airport. Everything else lies in between

Money, on the other hand, is simply a facilitator of exchanges.

When we reduce the economy to its simplest form, it really consists of a growing number of people trying to meet their needs and wants. More people (~80 million more each year) simply translate into increasingly greater demand for the earth's limited and ever-limiting resources.

Since our human desire to consume is virtually limitless, a key role of money is to provide the scarcity necessary to divvy up a limited amount of goods and services among the population. There has to be a balance between money and the things that humans can produce and distribute, or else prices get out of whack.

So now let's imagine a world where real things are in limited (and limiting) supply, and then compare this idea to our money supply in order to get a sense of where things are headed.
When faced with the sort of predicament we currently find ourselves in, even more existential questions might dominate our thinking, such as Is there more to life than working hard, buying stuff, taking on debt, and getting older? or even What's the meaning of life? The primary narrative telling us that we are supposed to work hard, consume harder, and keep ourselves centered on the treadmill that we seem to have been born upon is beginning to unravel.

It's a mark of maturity to use a moment of crisis as an opportunity to engage in introspection and as a springboard for personal (or societal) growth and development. Unfortunately, there are virtually no signs that either our dominant culture or our leadership is that mature.

So our opportunity here is to really question ourselves and our actions, hold them up to the bright light of day, and decide what needs to change, what we should keep, and what new things we might start doing.
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Post by Amskeptic » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:01 am

denjohn wrote:Quotes from: http://www.chrismartenson.com/blog/trouble-money/73469
A Broken Narrative
I just had this discussion with a British banker at the breakfast table.

The Economy is a game. Human beings are real. Real human beings are/may get hurt by this game.
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Post by denjohn » Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:50 am

Amskeptic wrote: The Economy is a game. Human beings are real. Real human beings are/may get hurt by this game.
"We always want to keep in mind what the function, the purpose, of the economy is. The purpose of an economy is not producing GDP. It is increasing the welfare of citizens, and it is increasing the welfare of most citizens. And the American economic system has failed, and failed very badly. Most Americans today are worse off, most American households have lower real income adjusted for inflation than they had fifteen years ago."


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Post by DjEep » Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:00 pm

=D> =D> =D>

True. Now to just engage our youth in a way that allows them to use their inherent idealism, vision and strength to change it, instead of just shutting down to it...
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Post by BellePlaine » Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:26 pm

DjEep wrote:=D> =D> =D>

True. Now to just engage our youth in a way that allows them to use their inherent idealism, vision and strength to change it, instead of just shutting down to it...
We have to learn to delay gratification.
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Post by DjEep » Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:27 pm

Yesss. We live in a culture that encourages the quickest, easiest route to "happiness". And when the energy of youth is wasted on easy "happiness", the hard parts of life, ever so necessary to survival, and best confronted or conquered by this energy, are never confronted, never conquered, and whole of society suffers.
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Post by Amskeptic » Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:46 pm

DjEep wrote:Yesss. We live in a culture that encourages the quickest, easiest route to "happiness". And when the energy of youth is wasted on easy "happiness", the hard parts of life, ever so necessary to survival, and best confronted or conquered by this energy, are never confronted, never conquered, and whole of society suffers.
The problem of gruesome inequity is not instant/delayed gratification.
I have been reading raw idiocy on the blogs as we watch this horrendously painful election season get under way, and I see people bashing the "lazy welfare cheats" and I see the "dependent on government hand-outs" crowd start slamming poor children who actually do need breakfast in America, and yesterday! a representative from Virginia was bashing students! for piling up student loan debt! WHAT ABOUT THE SCUMBAGS who jerked Pell Grants into private slush funds? What about corporate welfare for GE and XE and what about those fatcat Congressmen who have taxpayer-funded free healthcare?
I am not ready to beat up on the poor and lazy until we seriously confront what is happening at the top. I do not doubt that there are disillusioned and bitter kids.
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Post by DjEep » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:13 pm

Be they "lazy cheats" or "wannabe fat-cats", our youth are taking the two routes we've presented to them. We've given them false hopes and then dashed them, so they take one of those routes to survive, neither of which are good for the whole of society.
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Post by Amskeptic » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:43 pm

DjEep wrote:Be they "lazy cheats" or "wannabe fat-cats", our youth are taking the two routes we've presented to them. We've given them false hopes and then dashed them, so they take one of those routes to survive, neither of which are good for the whole of society.
Yes. If there is one thing I feel on in the streets and towns and even Missouri farm fields, it is that our futures have been compromised by this game. The ones who don't choose to see it, are often the ones who are enjoying the fruits of this game. "Go get a job, you lazy bum!" says the newly minted spiffy Goldman Sachs executive to the sullen recipient of 50 employment application rejections. When the game breaks down, will Mr. Spiffy be able to fix his own Audi A6 when the TDC sensor takes a dump? I hope to be there to help Lazy Bum get that ancient Corolla cranked up and running with a nail file.

Really. What have we actually offered as a goal to work hard for these days? In the old days of Nation-Building, it all was considered a part of the whole. What do we claim to respect as career choices these days?
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Re: The Trouble with Money

Post by denjohn » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:08 pm

FRONTLINE Money, Power and Wall Street

Beginning April 24, FRONTLINE "tells the inside story of the global financial crisis".

http://video.pbs.org/video/2218309368
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