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Post by LiveonJG » Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:36 pm

Hippie wrote:
LiveonJG wrote:A hot start relay is just a bandaid. Sounds to me like it's time to replace the starter...
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Hope this isn't hijacking, but I always figured it was the ignition switches that got weak.
Replacing the starter really fix these hot start problems when a relay can "fix" it too?
I've had starters go bad, a few times. The relay will prolong the life of the starter but will not change the inevitable and the starter will eventually need to be replaced. So no "fix" is achieved. Fingers crossed, I've had no trouble with my ignition switch. (Damn, now I've said it, so guess what I'll be dealing with next?)

Neal's trouble could be the ignition switch but it also could be the starter. Based on my experience, it's likely a starter issue. I had hot start relay for a couple of years, and things were ok for a while. Looking back, I wish I had just got another starter.

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Post by Hippie » Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:19 am

So, evidently, the solenoid was worn enough that a small boost in voltage provided by the relay allowed it to kick-in all the way....I'm guessing here.

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Post by LiveonJG » Fri Aug 27, 2010 5:14 pm

Hippie wrote:So, evidently, the solenoid was worn enough that a small boost in voltage provided by the relay allowed it to kick-in all the way....I'm guessing here.
Good guess, just like bridging the posts.

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Post by Amskeptic » Sat Aug 28, 2010 9:26 am

Hippie wrote:So, evidently, the solenoid was worn enough that a small boost in voltage provided by the relay allowed it to kick-in all the way....I'm guessing here.
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Post by Hippie » Sat Aug 28, 2010 2:47 pm

Resist-a-who? :joker:
I'll call up Bus Depot and tell them I'm looking for one of them there resister-ants starters I heard about...

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Post by ruckman101 » Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:38 pm

Ok, well, I let it sit for five, six days, and by golly, it didn't fix itself. Dag nab it Luke.

So did the jumper, and same thing. Things kick, but no spinny of engine.



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Post by hambone » Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:03 pm

Bad switch, it will not even kick, or will kill the engine randomly.
Clean your contacts and replace that damn starter already. Don't make me stop this bus. Your bus, but alas it is already too late.
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Post by ruckman101 » Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:18 pm

cleaning up ramona's.

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Post by hambone » Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:37 pm

Sometimes it's best to replace critical parts with new...if you can afford it. What if that old starter craps out in the boonies somewhere?
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Post by ruckman101 » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:13 pm

Mmmmmm....ok.

$120 at Halsey, Bosch, new, $78 rebuilt. Always $156, $118 rebuilt.



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Post by hambone » Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:27 pm

Talk with Johnny at Halsey. He knows me and Stephan at least and will give you a good deal. But you haveta ask for it.
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Post by ruckman101 » Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:00 pm

Hmmm, new Bosch starter made in Brazil. And apparently a bushing to replace where the shaft sits in the tranny bell housing. I wonder how easy the old is is going to be to remove. Looks pretty straight forward, especially with the ENGINE out, othewise, hmmm.

Don't recall if the starter I pulled from Bertha was new or rebuilt, as I didn't do the work, and I don't remember the bill. This was seven years ago there abouts.


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Post by LiveonJG » Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:44 pm

ruckman101 wrote:And apparently a bushing to replace where the shaft sits in the tranny bell housing. I wonder how easy the old is is going to be to remove(?)
It can be a bitch with the engine in, especially when the old one falls into the bell housing. Engine out would be smooth sailing.

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Post by Westy78 » Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:54 pm

LiveonJG wrote:
It can be a bitch with the engine in, especially when the old one falls into the bell housing. Engine out would be smooth sailing.

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Post by tristessa » Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:43 pm

Westy78 wrote:
LiveonJG wrote:
It can be a bitch with the engine in, especially when the old one falls into the bell housing. Engine out would be smooth sailing.

-John
Been there done that. Turned a twenty minute job into a two hour job.
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