Transmission Oil

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Post by veedublover12 » Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:50 pm

disengagement problem caused either by a dry or sticky pilot bearing in the end of the crankshaft, or a damaged spline on the input shaft of the transaxle
Yikes! That does not sound good. Do I have to split the case if it is the pilot bearing? Is there an easy way to lube the pilot bearing? The engine has about 20,000 miles on it, with regular tune ups and oil changes every 1500 miles (religiously I have stayed up late or canceled trips because I would go over the 1500 mile mark without an oil change)

As for the input shaft on the transaxle, are you talking about the shaft sticking out into the bell housing? If I have a damaged spline, how hard is it to replace the shaft?

Lastly, if the pressure plate is damaged what model would you suggest I get in exchange? I have heard a lot of bad things about the Brazilian one I have in now. (Don't remember the name of it, just heard that all the clutches coming out of Brazil are crap.)
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Post by Amskeptic » Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:39 pm

veedublover12 wrote:Yikes!
The pilot bearing can often be resurrected with a thorough application of grease. Replacing it is easy enough, it is in the end of the crankshaft of Type 4 engines. Splines can always be restored with a tidy precise bit of filing along the spline grooves with a small triangular file until the disk hub can slide along the input shaft length. Clean like you mean it.

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Post by veedublover12 » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:12 pm

Only one small issue I have a 1969 with an upright engine. Will that effect the ease of removing the pilot bearing? Thank you very much for all your help Amskeptic & VWlover77. =D>
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Post by vdubyah73 » Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:45 pm

You have what is called a gland nut holding your flywheel to the end of the crankshaft. The pilot bearing is an integral part of it. You need a 36 MM socket, some way to hold the flywheel from rotating, and some way to exert 250-300 ft pounds of pressure to get it loose, (you only need about 250 ft pounds to tighten the new one maybe it's 257 ft pounds, somewhere around there)

Gland nut
http://www.busdepot.com/details.jsp?par ... 111105305E
BusDepot.com - VW Bus / Camper / Vanagon / EuroVan Specialists

Flywheel lock
http://www.busdepot.com/details.jsp?partnumber=5003
BusDepot.com - VW Bus / Camper / Vanagon / EuroVan Specialists

Torque dude
http://www.vwparts.net/LR000133.html
Flywheel Remover Aka Torque Dude - VW Parts

I have never used these tools, I have gotten the gland nut off with a pry bar in the teeth of the fly wheel and wedged against a mounting bolt while wrenching on the gland nut with a big breaker with cheater pipe.....alone. A helper would make it easier. I now use an air impact gun.

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Post by veedublover12 » Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:22 pm

I just wanted to follow up with this thread so that it may help out someone else in the future. I spent this weekend pulling my engine to address the grinding noise occurring whenever I downshifted or shifted into reverse. As recommended I purchased a triangle file as well as Mobil 1 Synthetic multipurpose grease (rated to 350F).
Once I had pulled the engine out I closely inspected the input shaft, I found no visible damage to the splines but sprayed them with degreaser to clean them than sprayed with a light coat of spray lube to keep them slippery. Next I pulled the clutch and upon careful inspection found the pilot bearing to be rather dirty and dry, also on the input shaft on the end the smooth bit was showing a bit of burning. I cleaned the pilot bearing, with spray lube and a rag (as well as Q tips) and when the Q tips stopped coming out black I packed the bearing with A LOT of grease.
A month or so ago I had replaced a section of the clutch tubing and I had a hunch that I had left the clutch tubing to long therefore bending the Bowden tube at to extreme of an angle. After carefully reading the Bentley manual I discovered that a dragging clutch (grinding noises) could be the result of having to much of a bend in the Bowden tube. So I cut about ½ inch off the end of my clutch tube and reinstalled the Bowden tube. It was much easier to get in and this time the clutch cable actually stuck through the eyelet of the clutch arm about ¼ of an inch, just enough for me to get the wing nut on the end.
After re-installing the engine, and checking and maintaining a few other odds and ends I took my bus out for a drive. No more grinding while down shifting and no grinding when shifting into reverse also overall shifting feels smoother.
Two things to note is that at first I could not get the bus into gear when I first tried to drive it. I put it in reverse (with the engine off) and backed up for about 20 feet, after that no problem. I have no idea what caused this but I have not experienced any problems since. Also I have a 1969 1600 SP (fully stock) and the Pilot Bearing is behind the Gland Nut, to remove the pilot bearing you have to pull the gland nut (you will need a torque multiplier www.aircooled.net has one that you can rent for CHEAP if you don’t want to buy one)
Thank you to everyone that offered up advice and encouragement it is greatly appreciated.
Isaac T.
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Post by vwlover77 » Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:26 pm

Good job! Glad you got it worked out. (Your transmission will thank you, too!)
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