Got my new Webers!!!

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Got my new Webers!!!

Post by Sluggo » Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:29 pm

Got my new Weber 36s today. Very nice looking. I'll post pics once I find my camera. We'll see once I put them on. Also re made my vac lines while I was at it.

3 problems.

1. Only has a vac advance port on one carb. Is that okay? I heard you need to run off both carbs to make an even pulse. Or is that just for brakes?

2. Looks like it's set up for a center pull linkage. I can probably just pull the pieces off my old 44s and put them on this.

3. Fuel inlets are in the front. I can probably work around this.
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1977 Bus with Sunroof - "Lucky '77"
2000cc Type IV w/Dual Weber 36s,
Aircooled.net SVDA w/Compufire,
Redline Weber Fuel Pump,
Holley Regulator,
Half Ass Brush & Roller Rustoleum Paint Job,
Incomplete Custom Interior,
Dual Batteries,
Crunched Slider Door.
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Post by fido » Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:00 pm

1. Use an anti-pulse valve (Gabrielle usually chucks one in for free if you ask him). CB probably sell them too - smooths the signal.

2. Those are alfa linkages. Use the end bits from your 44's.

3. loop the fuel line a bit.

Look nice. Hope you have better luck with this set :)
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Post by chitwnvw » Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:54 pm

1. I'm running one line for the dizzy vac ( one for the brakes too :-) ) seems ok, but I'd be interested in this anti pulse thingy.
2. Nothing to add, except that the scat centerpull linkage I got was for t1s and would require modification, does anyone make a centerpull linkage for the t4s.
3. My fuel inlets can be switched side to side, there are IDFs that are different?

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Post by Sluggo » Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:01 pm

chitwnvw wrote:1. I'm running one line for the dizzy vac ( one for the brakes too :-) ) seems ok, but I'd be interested in this anti pulse thingy.
2. Nothing to add, except that the scat centerpull linkage I got was for t1s and would require modification, does anyone make a centerpull linkage for the t4s.
3. My fuel inlets can be switched side to side, there are IDFs that are different?
1. I'll try the one port and see if it works.

2. I just put my arms for the hex bar on one carb. Seems like it should work.

3. My 44s can switch sides. These have the boss to be used on the other side but its not drilled or tapped. I can run some steel lines to go to the front of the carb. Kind of like it like that. Now I can see if there are any problems with leakage without a flashlight and serious upper body contortion.
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1977 Bus with Sunroof - "Lucky '77"
2000cc Type IV w/Dual Weber 36s,
Aircooled.net SVDA w/Compufire,
Redline Weber Fuel Pump,
Holley Regulator,
Half Ass Brush & Roller Rustoleum Paint Job,
Incomplete Custom Interior,
Dual Batteries,
Crunched Slider Door.
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Post by chitwnvw » Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:10 pm

Sluggo wrote:Now I can see if there are any problems with leakage without a flashlight and serious upper body contortion.
Do the '72s have the top engine compartment lid?

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Post by Sluggo » Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:31 pm

chitwnvw wrote:Do the '72s have the top engine compartment lid?
Nope. 1972 is a weird crossover year. Lots of one year only parts (left heater cable, rear shift rod extender...). And lots of pre and post 72 combos like no hatch, lower turn signals, etc...
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1977 Bus with Sunroof - "Lucky '77"
2000cc Type IV w/Dual Weber 36s,
Aircooled.net SVDA w/Compufire,
Redline Weber Fuel Pump,
Holley Regulator,
Half Ass Brush & Roller Rustoleum Paint Job,
Incomplete Custom Interior,
Dual Batteries,
Crunched Slider Door.
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Post by covelo » Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:45 pm

Sluggo wrote:Now I can see if there are any problems with leakage without a flashlight and serious upper body contortion.
I use my finger and my nose. Works OK. But I wish I had a hatch like the square on top of the engine.
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Post by Sluggo » Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:46 pm

fido wrote:1. Use an anti-pulse valve (Gabrielle usually chucks one in for free if you ask him). CB probably sell them too - smooths the signal.

2. Those are alfa linkages. Use the end bits from your 44's.

3. loop the fuel line a bit.

Look nice. Hope you have better luck with this set :)
1. I'll check on the Anti-Pulse Valve. Thanks for the info.

2. Switched them around and they seem to be okay.

3. I made some steel lines that route it over the top of the engine compartment and down to the carbs.
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1977 Bus with Sunroof - "Lucky '77"
2000cc Type IV w/Dual Weber 36s,
Aircooled.net SVDA w/Compufire,
Redline Weber Fuel Pump,
Holley Regulator,
Half Ass Brush & Roller Rustoleum Paint Job,
Incomplete Custom Interior,
Dual Batteries,
Crunched Slider Door.
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Post by Sluggo » Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:57 pm

Got the Webers installed yesterday. Better before I even tuned em'! They just sound more.......right. Took it for a drive. Have to give it a little more throttle than the 44's but they seem much more responsive. Have them nice & balanced now but running just a little rich. I tune them to lean best idle when I have time tomorrow.

My Pertronix is back to it's old tricks. Increasing the timing (and therefor the idle) up to 12 then back down to 7.5. Don't know what to do with it. It's not catching on anything and I trimmed down the rotor so the magnet sits level with the sender. Maybe I'll try a Compufire or a Hot Spark.
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1977 Bus with Sunroof - "Lucky '77"
2000cc Type IV w/Dual Weber 36s,
Aircooled.net SVDA w/Compufire,
Redline Weber Fuel Pump,
Holley Regulator,
Half Ass Brush & Roller Rustoleum Paint Job,
Incomplete Custom Interior,
Dual Batteries,
Crunched Slider Door.
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Post by Velokid1 » Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:16 am

Points are where it's at.

My Dells had a single vac port on the 1/2 carb, as well.

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Post by Sluggo » Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:14 pm

The new 36s rock! I have to give her more throttle but she is more responsive. No lugging (except uphill in second).

Here are my questions. I know on 40-48 IDFs you don't want the mixture screw out more than 1 turn. Does this apply to 36s also? Mine are out to 1 1/2 turns. Same with the idle speed screw. Mines at about 1 turn but 40-48s are listed as 1/2 a turn max.

My current jetting is:
F11 e-tubes
55 idles
135 mains
200 airs
30mm vents

PS. Points are back in and the idle/timing problems went away.
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1977 Bus with Sunroof - "Lucky '77"
2000cc Type IV w/Dual Weber 36s,
Aircooled.net SVDA w/Compufire,
Redline Weber Fuel Pump,
Holley Regulator,
Half Ass Brush & Roller Rustoleum Paint Job,
Incomplete Custom Interior,
Dual Batteries,
Crunched Slider Door.
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Post by Amskeptic » Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:45 pm

Sluggo wrote: My Pertronix is back to it's old tricks. Increasing the timing (and therefor the idle) up to 12 then back down to 7.5. Don't know what to do with it.
That does not sound like it is your Pertronix. That is your advance not returning correctly. Lubricate the felt at the top of the distributor shaft and work the rotor back and forth on the counterweights. It will take time for the oil to reach down to the pivots. Also, if you have vacuum advance, make sure the breaker plate moves fully and smoothly. Sometimes grease is like peanut butter under the little ball bearing and you might want to carefully apply a drop of oil to the center where the advance plate rotates on the stationary plate.
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Post by Sluggo » Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:29 pm

Amskeptic wrote:
Sluggo wrote: My Pertronix is back to it's old tricks. Increasing the timing (and therefor the idle) up to 12 then back down to 7.5. Don't know what to do with it.
That does not sound like it is your Pertronix. That is your advance not returning correctly. Lubricate the felt at the top of the distributor shaft and work the rotor back and forth on the counterweights. It will take time for the oil to reach down to the pivots. Also, if you have vacuum advance, make sure the breaker plate moves fully and smoothly. Sometimes grease is like peanut butter under the little ball bearing and you might want to carefully apply a drop of oil to the center where the advance plate rotates on the stationary plate.
Colin
I've checked that the Pertronix doesn't catch on the advance plate a million times. It's plenty clean & lubed and the advance plate moves smooth with no hang ups. I don't have this problem with points and I've heard several people have my exact same experience with Pertronix.

Just did my mileagae and it's now at 13.84 MPG (1/2 street - 1/2 freeway). I'll be playing with my jets and mixture tomorrow. But that's still better than the 8 I was getting before
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1977 Bus with Sunroof - "Lucky '77"
2000cc Type IV w/Dual Weber 36s,
Aircooled.net SVDA w/Compufire,
Redline Weber Fuel Pump,
Holley Regulator,
Half Ass Brush & Roller Rustoleum Paint Job,
Incomplete Custom Interior,
Dual Batteries,
Crunched Slider Door.
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Re: Got my new Webers!!!

Post by 72Hardtop » Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:24 am

I know...it's old. With Webers the idle mixtures are fine at 1-1.25 or so turns from lightly seated. More than 1.5 would suggest a change (down) in the idle jet.
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Weber 40mm Duals - 47.5idles, 125mains, F11 tubes, 190 Air corr., 28mm Vents
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Re: Got my new Webers!!!

Post by Amskeptic » Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:38 am

72Hardtop wrote:I know...it's old.

With Webers the idle mixtures are fine at 1-1.25 or so turns from lightly seated. More than 1.5 would suggest a change (down) in the idle jet.
Yes. It is.

Yes. It would.

You still have that engine, Sluggo?
Colin
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