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What does that have to do with your categorical statement that Japan was choosing herd immunity? They are not.

The virus will stop when it decides to stop.

You say you work in healthcare?

tommu wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:51 pm

What does that have to do with your categorical statement that Japan was choosing herd immunity? They are not.

The virus will stop when it decides to stop.

You say you work in healthcare?

RN, BSN ~25 years (ER/Trauma)

Well I'm lost for words.

Here in Japan they have an entirely different view on what makes it onto TV news. The belief among many here is not everything needs to be put up for people to see or know. If media in the US took that approach to police shooting incidents we'd have far less civil unrest issues. People don't need to see everything. And it would level the playing field when it made it's way to court for a jury to decide.

72Hardtop wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:14 pm

The virus will stop when it decides to stop. We don't dictate that to any degree.

Please allow me to reiterate:

The effort of containment has always been about slowing the rate of infection (AKA "flattening the curve") so that when these cases inevitably come in, they will not strain the capacities of health care systems to treat them. The idea is to delay the spread of infection as long as we can, until more effective means of control like immunizations can be developed, tested, and implemented.

72Hardtop wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:21 pm

Here in Japan they have an entirely different view on what makes it onto TV news. The belief among many here is not everything needs to be put up for people to see or know. If media in the US took that approach to police shooting incidents we'd have far less civil unrest issues. People don't need to see everything. And it would level the playing field when it made it's way to court for a jury to decide.

Works in a homogeneous, compliant society.

We aren’t that.

72Hardtop wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:14 pm

tommu wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:43 pm

Japan did not pursue the policy of herd immunity and certainly has not achieved it.

You appear not to care about the truth. It must get in the way of your feelings or something.

It is what it is even if not advertised. We aren't locking anything down here.

Anyone who believes locking down is effective is plain dumb. The virus will stop when it decides to stop. We don't dictate that to any degree.

Locking down would have been doable and relatively painless in the beginning. There was a window of opportunity. It has now been squandered. Contact tracing would have been the second tier of mitigation. It too, was utterly squandered as of the Daytona Spring Break super-spreader disaster widely predicted by scientists. We now have to use a targeted hotspot response, but as Tom might have noted, there have been utterly unnecessary deaths. See: Obama Administration; response to Ebola Outbreak. See also the lockdown success stories in Finland, New Zealand, and others that WERE successful until the rest of us started seeding them with our who cares I got my rights visiting louts. We are way down the river of successfully wrestling this thing down. There are many personal stories of heart-breaking deaths that could have been avoided.

This virus leaves stunning aftereffects, strokes, permanent lung and heart damage and brain damage. It was a worthy candidate for a serious effort, but Trump had other priorities, and they are coming out right about now, in his own words, on tape. Thanks, Bob Woodward.
Colin