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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 2:46 am
Back in my day, this 'Free Speech' section was a hell of a lot more lively.
What happened?
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What happened?
https://youtu.be/_o8gxFGAh9w
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I dunno. More people getting their rants done on Facebook now? A general aging of the AIC population?MeyerII wrote:Back in my day, this 'Free Speech' section was a hell of a lot more lively.
What happened?
https://youtu.be/_o8gxFGAh9w
a) We have lost the novelty of an online community.MeyerII wrote:Back in my day, this 'Free Speech' section was a hell of a lot more lively.
What happened?
This is merely the continuing *evolution* of public involvement. If you look at discussions in the 60's and before, they occurred mostly in the elite circles of academia or executive suites. Your average American could only go so far as the local paper and three channels on TV.dingo wrote:Debate devolves quickly into divisiveness and polarization as the dumptrucks back up noisily with mountains of evidence, proof, and 'truth'. Good discussion that progresses forward is more delicate, ego-free...and requires many deep breaths to keep it positively motivated
I guess we'll find out in November.Amskeptic wrote: Eventually things will either settle down straighten up or go to hell.
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True debate requires a willingness that both sides do two (at a minimum) things:dingo wrote:Debate devolves quickly into divisiveness and polarization as the dumptrucks back up noisily with mountains of evidence, proof, and 'truth'. Good discussion that progresses forward is more delicate, ego-free...and requires many deep breaths to keep it positively motivated
Much truth in that! Thanks for posting.Lanval wrote:dingo wrote: True debate requires a willingness that both sides do two (at a minimum) things:
1. Treat the other side's arguments with respect
2. Agree on some basic aspects of the argument (i.e. definitions, actions, etc.)
If 2 is missing, then debate does not exist.
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Would that people focused as strongly on what makes as similar, as they do on what makes us different...
Lanval!Lanval wrote:True debate requires a willingness that both sides do two (at a minimum) things:dingo wrote:Debate devolves quickly into divisiveness and polarization as the dumptrucks back up noisily with mountains of evidence, proof, and 'truth'. Good discussion that progresses forward is more delicate, ego-free...and requires many deep breaths to keep it positively motivated
1. Treat the other side's arguments with respect
2. Agree on some basic aspects of the argument (i.e. definitions, actions, etc.)
If 2 is missing, then debate does not exist. It's merely telling someone what you believe is inviolable, then being aggrieved when they don't see the "truth". Most people operate as if belief (a reasoned outcome based on theory and experience) in politics, economics, whatever is the same as BELIEF (an acceptance of a way of thinking which cannot be either reasoned or proven) in religion. There is room for both, but too often, they are conflated, with a loss of community, respect and a shared sense of "we're all in this together" as a result,
Would that people focused as strongly on what makes as similar, as they do on what makes us different...
Unfortunately (at least in my opinion), there are a great many people who do not subscribe to the WITT philosophy ("We're In This Together") Instead, they operate on the YOYO principle ("You're On Your Own"). It is hard to debate almost anything when ones' underlying view of the world differs so radically and there is no shared sense of what it means to be an American, or human for that matter.Lanval wrote:and a shared sense of "we're all in this together" as a result,
MonoCone wrote:I am also back from a long hiatus. Way back in time this forum was a hotbed of opinions raging at the state of affairs.
Looking things over I like the current vibe much better.
Elvis (no, the other Elvis) put it best: "I used to be disgusted, now I'm just amused."MonoCone wrote:Way back in time this forum was a hotbed of opinions raging at the state of affairs.
Looking things over I like the current vibe much better.