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What's the difference

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:49 am
by RussellK
Why is it a regime can bomb the fuck out of it's population and we just shake our heads.....but they use a chemical weapon and we get all pumped up with outrage. What the hell. A shrapnel wound is pretty damned nasty. Dead by gas or dead by bullet is dead by either definition

Re: Why the difference

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:20 am
by zabo
Cause we can't defend as well against Chem attacks plus I think they are just looking for an excuse to get in there.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/35 ... ling-beard

Re: Why the difference

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:31 pm
by Bleyseng
After WW1 in which chemical warfare was used the Nations of the World declared it "a crime against humanity" outlawing it. There really isn't any way to defend of protect against it.

Re: Why the difference

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:51 pm
by yondermtn
What's next? Outlawing conventional weapons?

Re: Why the difference

Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:58 pm
by Bleyseng
Eight million soldiers, including more than 50,000 Americans died. An estimated 12 million civilians died. German's losses 1,700,000 killed and over 4,200,000 wounded. France had 1,300,000 deaths and over 4,200,000 wounded.

The estimated total number of people killed during WW1 (including civilians) was 20 million.
Not sure how many died from Gas but it was a lot, even my Grandfather was gased but was lucky and survived it.

Those staggering numbers prompted countries to adopt "warfare rules" ie the Geneva Convention so if a country violates those rules all bets are off. The German leaders and Japanese thought that they were immune to criminal charges since they were a countries leaders but not so and were dragged in the World Court.

Re: Why the difference

Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 6:54 am
by RussellK
War sure makes for some strange rationalization. We can kill you so long as we make noise doing it.

Re: Why the difference

Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:23 pm
by hippiewannabe
True, dead is dead. But there is a difference in the indiscriminate nature of gas; it will kill a kid a long way away from any military objective you are shooting at, much more so than high explosives. And the suffering does seem to be worse.

Blame GWB if you like, but for whatever reason, it seems the world no longer wants to follow Pax Americana. Fine. Let someone else stop Assad from murdering his own people with nerve gas.

Re: Why the difference

Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 3:24 am
by Jivermo
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Are you saying that the world does not want to follow leadership represented by this guy? I just don't understand...

Re: Why the difference

Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:34 pm
by DjEep
"Evil begats evil, Mr. President. Shooting will only make it stronger."

But yes, another war crime to punish a possible war crime. (double negative, I know, war=crime)

Death is death, brought to you by death.

Those mean little gas bombs! So indiscriminate! Our missiles are so accurate, they only kill a few "innocents" each time. And we all know a 100 innocents killed at once is muchmuchmuch worse than 1000 killed in "separate" attacks.

Oh and by the way? We're broke. And by we, I mean you. I mean I still have a metric fuckload of money for missiles, and my buddy has 5 helipads on his yacht, but your account is overdrawn, gonna need that payment....

Re: Why the difference

Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:40 pm
by glasseye
Jivermo wrote: Are you saying that the world does not want to follow leadership represented by this guy? I just don't understand...
Doesn't the President of the United States of America have someone he can get to carry his flight helmet for him?

Re: Why the difference

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:11 pm
by Amskeptic
DjEep wrote:"Evil begats evil, Mr. President. Shooting will only make it stronger."

But yes, another war crime to punish a possible war crime. (double negative, I know, war=crime)

Death is death, brought to you by death.

Those mean little gas bombs! So indiscriminate! Our missiles are so accurate, they only kill a few "innocents" each time. And we all know a 100 innocents killed at once is muchmuchmuch worse than 1000 killed in "separate" attacks.

Oh and by the way? We're broke. And by we, I mean you. I mean I still have a metric fuckload of money for missiles, and my buddy has 5 helipads on his yacht, but your account is overdrawn, gonna need that payment....
=D> =D>
Keep it up. We need the likes of you.