Amskeptic wrote:
They are seeking to get the attention of the American people. The media is responsible for reporting the activities of these citizens seeking the attention of the American people.
When the American people have been informed of this efforts, they then do what about it? If they agree strongly, they petition their representatives, they try to generate legislation that reflects their goals, right?
Yes the people try to get other peoples attention to then change the gov.
But, it has been observed that what changes or the legislation that gets added isn't what the people want. Also, this doesn't mean it is right. Having a democracy where the majority rules over others without proper observance of individual rights is a very bad thing.
Amskeptic wrote:
In both cases, Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street, successful action is only measured by legislation! By our government! It takes the power of the government to control the power of the government. If the Tea Party wants smaller government, they have to ask the government, through their legislators, to change the rules of the game. If Occupy Wall Street wants to regulate run-amok corporate behavior, they have to petition the government through our Constitional process to pass laws regulating the conduct of commerce.
The problem is
1) those in power do what they want because now they can violate rights.
2) The Constitution is a limited document limiting the powers of the gov. It is not a free for all where the majority or mob can make any rule it desires.
Amskeptic wrote:Do regulations "grow the power of the government"? What if they merely reflect what the majority of Americans have decided would be good? Environmental regulations, financial regulations, energy use regulations, in what way do they grow the power of the government? Who goes home at the end of the day and says "ha HA! I am KING now that they passed a sulphur emissions limit!"?
Some go home and say, "ha ha, I made it hard for anyone else to do this but my big corporation with the team of lawyers. Only my big firm can now do this. We wrote the laws to insure Haliburton, or Carlisle group will prosper".
But that's just it. They don't reflect what the people want. Giving the gov more power than was intended, recommended or right has caused a mob of evil people to flock to it because those who control it can gain so much. YES, regulations GROW the power of the government. The POWER of the GOV is not always the will of the people, but the will of those elites who control so much that they keep getting into office. Or, it is the will of a misguided mob. Once again, it is important to observe individual rights.
Amskeptic wrote:
I do not understand this suspicion against this Social Collective known as the United States of America, where we have agreed by vote to balance the system and keep it somewhat clean and organized.
This is just it. What was agreed upon by the few men writing the Dec and Const was to institute a gov to protect our liberties, to make states republics onto themselves, and to democratically vote in people to insure this.
NOT to Balance a two party system, where people vote for the team that best reflects their desires, and then hopes they don't violate our rights too much as they violate others rights to give me more beni's.
Amskeptic wrote:
You tell you kids to clean their rooms, obey the house rules, what is the difference between the family's need to regulate the household and the country's need to regulate the society?
Colin
I have answered this one before. I understand if you don't agree, but I'm gonna answer it again.
It is understood that kids our too young to be on their own and it is understood that it is the parents responsibility.
It is not suppose to be understood that we are not capable of making decisions for ourselves, and the government is responsible.
That is the difference. What Parents are to kids is not the same as what the gov is to free people in free country. Your comparison may be more valid if it was in a country that hadn't yet declared independence from a king.
