The Impending Political Season

[BellePlaine]

I believe that neither Obama or Romney pose a significant threat to way of life of the top 1% nor the bottom 99%. The differences are subtle.

[Amskeptic]

I believe that neither Obama or Romney pose a significant threat to way of life of the top 1% nor the bottom 99%. The differences are subtle.

But extremely important. The differences between Obama and Romney are defining.
Colin

[BellePlaine]

I believe that neither Obama or Romney pose a significant threat to way of life of the top 1% nor the bottom 99%. The differences are subtle.

But extremely important. The differences between Obama and Romney are defining.
Colin

Maybe in style, but not in substance. Romney will carry on with more regulations and reforms benefiting big corporations, just like Obama has. Romney will still engage in our military in unlawful foreign entanglements just like Obama. Romney is a neo-conservative and Obama is a moderate liberal; these differences are not as defining as the Democratic party might want us to believe.

[Amskeptic]

I believe that neither Obama or Romney pose a significant threat to way of life of the top 1% nor the bottom 99%. The differences are subtle.

But extremely important. The differences between Obama and Romney are defining.
Colin

Maybe in style, but not in substance. Romney will carry on with more regulations and reforms benefiting big corporations, just like Obama has. Romney will still engage in our military in unlawful foreign entanglements just like Obama. Romney is a neo-conservative and Obama is a moderate liberal; these differences are not as defining as the Democratic party might want us to believe.

Who cares what the "Democratic party might want us to believe"? I am asking YOU what YOU think. I would be happy to share with you what I think. We are individuals HERE on the forum. What does the "Democratic party" have to do with it? Is it like "the government"?

Obama crashed into a wall of opposition ... because he was passing regulations and reforms benefiting big corporations??
Looks to me like he has been filibustered and stalled in almost every effort he has undertaken to help WHO???? The American citizen, perchance?

We are going to tar Obama with Bush's preemptive war morass? Last I heard, he did wind down the Iraq war, and has been trying to find the delicate balance between engagement and standing down in Afghanistan. The Libyan resolution actually worked out in Obama's favor (limited engagement and international cooperation). Don't you at all think that Obama has been trying to deal with what he inherited?? Unlawful?

You see no difference in who these two people are? You see no difference in their life stories, their philosophies, their spouses, their comprehension of the world? You think Romney's work with Bain Capital is equivalent to Obama's community organizing and empowerment?
Colin

[BellePlaine]

What do I think? I am PISSED OFF at the establishment! I am PISSED OFF at the lack choices presented to us for president. I am PISSED OFF that the OWS/TP crowd buys the bullshit coming from corporate media to attack the only anti-establishment candidate in the running.

[Amskeptic]

What do I think?
A) I am PISSED OFF at the establishment!
B) I am PISSED OFF at the lack choices presented to us for president.
C) I am PISSED OFF that the OWS/TP crowd buys the bullshit coming from corporate media to attack the only anti-establishment candidate in the running.

A) Got it.
B) Nobody "presents". People choose to run.
C) This is not a rational conclusion, in my opinion. You cannot seriously speak for members of the Occupy Wall Street movement, nor can you speak for the members of the Tea Party, nor can you conclude without asking them, that they "buy the bullshit" coming from corporate media. I would call this quite unsubstantiated.
Ron Paul has created his own headwinds. Every other Republican candidate has been slammed into the wall no less than Ron Paul. And God knows that Obama has been tormented by nonsense.
Bullshit is an equal opportunity PIA.
Colin

[Bleyseng]

I believe that neither Obama or Romney pose a significant threat to way of life of the top 1% nor the bottom 99%. The differences are subtle.

Raising taxes on the 1% will impact their way of life...taxes on income, short term capital gains, investment income all will seriously impact them. Most of the 99% have jack for taxes on capital gains, investment income and income over 250k.
This was the big change or shift in taxes Reagan and all the way to GW Bush got thru Congress and we now see the result of "Trickle Down Economics" Its called stand there and be pissed on by the Rich...

"They" have their top shelf health care, private schools, gated communities, exclusive health clubs etc while the "Public" suffers...

[steve74baywin]

What do I think?
A) I am PISSED OFF at the establishment!
B) I am PISSED OFF at the lack choices presented to us for president.
C) I am PISSED OFF that the OWS/TP crowd buys the bullshit coming from corporate media to attack the only anti-establishment candidate in the running.

A) Got it.
B) Nobody "presents". People choose to run.
C) This is not a rational conclusion, in my opinion. You cannot seriously speak for members of the Occupy Wall Street movement, nor can you speak for the members of the Tea Party, nor can you conclude without asking them, that they "buy the bullshit" coming from corporate media. I would call this quite unsubstantiated.
Ron Paul has created his own headwinds. Every other Republican candidate has been slammed into the wall no less than Ron Paul. And God knows that Obama has been tormented by nonsense.
Bullshit is an equal opportunity PIA.
Colin

I think that is ignoring too many facts out there.
I even showed you who prompted up Obama before he was presented to the people as the "savior" for everything people hated about Bush.
I showed you how the International Banking Cartel was his largest investor for his one and only Senate run which he won and was practically unknown before this race.
I pointed out that Obama was a CFR member. I pointed out who and why the CFR was created. I pointed out that many of the top men in the main stream media are also CFR members.
There is also reason to believe Obama is an insider like the Bush's with connections and family in the CIA for years.
Most candidates are presented to the people by the money cartel, the same people who created the CFR, the Trilateral Commission, the CIA, and the Socialistic Progressive Democratic party.
And let's not forget when JP Morgan researched what it would take to "generally speaking" control the media. He was told he needed to buy up the editorial spots of the top 20 or so papers, and he did, as well as owning Reuters and the Associated Press.
Now close your eyes and forget.

[ruckman101]

Obama CIA embedded for years? First I've heard about it. Where did you pick up that little nugget of info. Is Ron Paul still publishing his newsletters?


neal

[dingo]

" I am not very optimistic when it comes to politics as a problem-solving device. Government is the reason we are in this mess although the public is happier blaming greedy bankers, speculators or “the market”. We have a democracy today, and we are constantly told that millions died in wars and revolutions so that we could enjoy democracy. So people believe that government and politics and the state are now all noble institutions. Democracy is the new religion and the democratic state its new deity. At the same time, people mistrust the market and the economy, and regardless what a mess the government makes of things, the solution is always thought to be in more, better or improved politics. I couldn’t disagree with these sentiments more but because things are what they are, I think politics will continue to make a mess of it and the public will continue to give politicians the license to do so.

This introduction is just to illustrate my disillusioned and cynical take on modern politics. This is why I do not want to get involved in the political process, and why I have little hope that it will change anything. I am not following the US presidential election closely. From what I know about Ron Paul, he wants to cut government spending drastically, end all foreign wars and bring back the troops, he wants to abolish the Fed and return the country to a gold standard, to a small state and to balance budgets. All these goals sound extremely sensible to me, and as Ron Paul is the only one advocating them, he appears to be the only one with an agenda that a rational, economically literate American can vote for. Alas, he doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of becoming President. Funny enough, I think most of what I listed above as what is my understanding of his agenda will ultimately be implemented – but not because the American public will vote for it in 2012 but because after a massive economic crisis in the not too distant future – a sovereign debt and paper money crisis – this will be implemented out of necessity. "

- d. schlichter

[steve74baywin]

Obama CIA embedded for years? First I've heard about it.

neal

First, I don't see where anyone said he was embedded for years. I said " family in the CIA for years".
Is it my writing or others comprehension?

You commented on a thread on this forum about it less than a year ago. You may not have agreed, but how can you say this is the first you heard of it? Dig deep within, the truth is there somewhere. It may still be possible to find the buried truth.

Forgive me here, but this is a trip. I was just telling someone the other day how a few people on here seem to not remember things they say, sometimes just the day before they contradict themselves, and you go ahead and say you never heard of this??? Please explain yourself.

[steve74baywin]

" I am not very optimistic when it comes to politics as a problem-solving device. Government is the reason we are in this mess although the public is happier blaming greedy bankers, speculators or “the market”. We have a democracy today, and we are constantly told that millions died in wars and revolutions so that we could enjoy democracy. So people believe that government and politics and the state are now all noble institutions. Democracy is the new religion and the democratic state its new deity. At the same time, people mistrust the market and the economy, and regardless what a mess the government makes of things, the solution is always thought to be in more, better or improved politics. I couldn’t disagree with these sentiments more but because things are what they are, I think politics will continue to make a mess of it and the public will continue to give politicians the license to do so.

This introduction is just to illustrate my disillusioned and cynical take on modern politics. This is why I do not want to get involved in the political process, and why I have little hope that it will change anything. I am not following the US presidential election closely. From what I know about Ron Paul, he wants to cut government spending drastically, end all foreign wars and bring back the troops, he wants to abolish the Fed and return the country to a gold standard, to a small state and to balance budgets. All these goals sound extremely sensible to me, and as Ron Paul is the only one advocating them, he appears to be the only one with an agenda that a rational, economically literate American can vote for. Alas, he doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of becoming President. Funny enough, I think most of what I listed above as what is my understanding of his agenda will ultimately be implemented – but not because the American public will vote for it in 2012 but because after a massive economic crisis in the not too distant future – a sovereign debt and paper money crisis – this will be implemented out of necessity. "

- d. schlichter

Nice.
It is sorta a funny though, the illusion and house built on falsehoods.
The founding fathers new the dangers of democracy, that is why we didn't set up a democracy. So you got one falsehood, and then many people died, when they didn't have to, but they died when it wasn't needed in the name of something we didn't even have, didn't like, and new the dangers of.
It really is sad, especially when you take the horses to water, but they don't drink.

[ruckman101]

Obama CIA embedded for years? First I've heard about it.

neal

First, I don't see where anyone said he was embedded for years. I said " family in the CIA for years".
Is it my writing or others comprehension?

You commented on a thread on this forum about it less than a year ago. You may not have agreed, but how can you say this is the first you heard of it? Dig deep within, the truth is there somewhere. It may still be possible to find the buried truth.

Forgive me here, but this is a trip. I was just telling someone the other day how a few people on here seem to not remember things they say, sometimes just the day before they contradict themselves, and you go ahead and say you never heard of this??? Please explain yourself.

I don't recall, nope, most likely because it was framed as an example, bundled with other conspiratorial ideas, lumped with birthers, those who think Obama is a secret muslim, etc., ideas I don't feel hold much water.


neal

[vdubyah73]

have you guys heard the news?

the whitehouse has denied the the president worked for the cia, he is not a chrononaut and has never been on a mission to mars via a time machine. no shit. this story came out last week. can't link it on a Wii. google ''obama and mars''. why would the whitehouse deny such nonsense, unless...

[BellePlaine]

" I am not very optimistic when it comes to politics as a problem-solving device. Government is the reason we are in this mess although the public is happier blaming greedy bankers, speculators or “the market”. We have a democracy today, and we are constantly told that millions died in wars and revolutions so that we could enjoy democracy. So people believe that government and politics and the state are now all noble institutions. Democracy is the new religion and the democratic state its new deity. At the same time, people mistrust the market and the economy, and regardless what a mess the government makes of things, the solution is always thought to be in more, better or improved politics. I couldn’t disagree with these sentiments more but because things are what they are, I think politics will continue to make a mess of it and the public will continue to give politicians the license to do so.

dingo, this nails it. Who the heck is "d. schlichter"? It's so silly to blame greedy bankers/military/corps because those groups gets their advantage from our elected politicians; the general sediment is that it's ok to trade away just a little bit more liberty for protection from bankers/terrorists/corps.

Anyone have some thoughts about NDAA?