Looks like drug test for welfare wont fly

[RSorak 71Westy]

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/201 ... lorida_wel

[ruckman101]

May sanity prevail.


neal

[airkooledchris]

I would normally think that greed would be the only real motivator for something so stupid, but drug testing everyone and only getting to block 2% of people who actually failed sounds more expensive that just paying the 2% who did test positive.

Since it's actually MORE expensive to test and not pay those that fail, then not to test, it's just a dick move.

[steve74baywin]

It's due to the "love of control". It also gets people use to more governing of their lives.

[ruckman101]

Governing their own lives? Oooooo that chaps my hide Steve. That's the same mind-set that got the ball rolling on the program to begin with. Cut those drug addicted felons from free-loading. Darn shame the statistics don't match the demonizing rhetoric. Ten percent there about for the population at large, two percent of the demographic reduced to seeking help via public assistance.

Love that "less government intruding into our lives" mantra shilled until it comes to the culture wars, then it's down your throat and up your ass.

Unless you're a corporation or the monied beneficiaries of them. Goodness, now there's the orgy of excess.


neal

[steve74baywin]

Governing their own lives? neal

No, it gets people use to others governing their life's.
The mere idea or thought of such legislation helps people to accept such control, or to accept some entities authority in such matters.
One could say things like this is how people slowly got back to having no problems with masters. If you always just argue on the level of say beni's, or some other small detail of some system without questioning the legitimize of it in the first place, the mind tends to assume and categorize it as legit automatically.

So back to what I posted.

It's due to the "love of control". It also gets people use to more governing of their lives.

Those in power like things like this because for one it feeds their desire to control others.
It also gets those that they control more conditioned to accept such control.

Sorta how when times got tough they conditioned people to want such a big government, even though this big government is the same wealthy people we'd like protection from, people have been conditioned to actually think it is for us the people, even after all the things we all have seen in the last 4 years, 10 years, 30 years and 100 years that clearly show the government helps and enables the ruling class, becaue it is the ruling class, just because we see some programs or thoughts that are supposedly to help us, but they never do, not on the greater level, but people don't see that. A certain ideal has already been conditioned in, so it is very hard to get people to even begin to see it.

[Spezialist]

Americans with disabilities act, over rules drug testing.

[Amskeptic]

No, it gets people used to others governing their lives.

The mere idea or thought of such legislation helps people to accept such control, or to accept some entities authority in such matters.

One could say things like this is how people slowly got back to having no problems with masters.

they conditioned people to want such a big government,.

Spell this out, using individual stories, not generalized mantras. Give me a specific example of a person who has been "conditioned" to "want" big government.
Colin

[Spezialist]

So back to what I posted.

It's due to the "love of control". It also gets people use to more governing of their lives.

Steve can you see that your statement contradicts itself?

I agree that we love control, I think it's predominant in the world.
All the way back to a birth we teach our children control of reality.
From bowel to food, tears, toys, pleasure and pain all rooted in control.
Do you think any training after can teach someone to give it up?
The true purpose of government is to keep back the tides of Malthusian Collapse.

[Amskeptic]

The true purpose of government is to keep back the tides of Malthusian Collapse.

[dingo]

Control is an illusion. Reality has it's own flow. After the 2008 crash, one wise old geezer said to me ,in reference to the economy 'it is as it should be'