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Obama CIA family ties

Post by steve74baywin » Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:02 am

First I heard of this, not saying it is true.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/08/18 ... -i-and-ii/
The start of the story
Special Report: The Story of Obama: All in The Company Part I -

By Wayne Madsen

WMR [Wayne Madsen Report] has discovered CIA files that document the agency’s connections to institutions and individuals figuring prominently in the lives of Barack Obama and his mother, father, grandmother, and stepfather.

President Obama’s own work in 1983 for Business International Corporation, a CIA front that conducted seminars with the world’s most powerful leaders and used journalists as agents abroad, dovetails with CIA espionage activities conducted by his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham in 1960s post-coup Indonesia on behalf of a number of CIA front operations, including the East-West Center at the University of Hawaii, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), and the Ford Foundation. Dunham met and married Lolo Soetoro, Obama’s stepfather, at the East-West Center in 1965. Soetoro was recalled to Indonesia in 1965 to serve as a senior army officer and assist General Suharto and the CIA in the bloody overthrow of President Sukarno.

Barack Obama, Sr., who met Dunham in 1959 in a Russian language class at the University of Hawaii, had been part of what was described as an airlift of 280 East African students to the United States to attend various colleges — merely “aided” by a grant from the Joseph P. Kennedy Foundation, according to a September 12, 1960, Reuters report from London. The airlift was a CIA operation to train and indoctrinate future agents of influence in Africa,
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http://www.firetown.com/blog/2010/08/22 ... o-the-cia/

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Post by Lanval » Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:53 pm

steve74baywin wrote:First I heard of this, not saying it is true.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/08/18 ... -i-and-ii/
The start of the story
Special Report: The Story of Obama: All in The Company Part I -

By Wayne Madsen

WMR [Wayne Madsen Report] has discovered CIA files that document the agency’s connections to institutions and individuals figuring prominently in the lives of Barack Obama and his mother, father, grandmother, and stepfather.

President Obama’s own work in 1983 for Business International Corporation, a CIA front that conducted seminars with the world’s most powerful leaders and used journalists as agents abroad, dovetails with CIA espionage activities conducted by his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham in 1960s post-coup Indonesia on behalf of a number of CIA front operations, including the East-West Center at the University of Hawaii, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), and the Ford Foundation. Dunham met and married Lolo Soetoro, Obama’s stepfather, at the East-West Center in 1965. Soetoro was recalled to Indonesia in 1965 to serve as a senior army officer and assist General Suharto and the CIA in the bloody overthrow of President Sukarno.

Barack Obama, Sr., who met Dunham in 1959 in a Russian language class at the University of Hawaii, had been part of what was described as an airlift of 280 East African students to the United States to attend various colleges — merely “aided” by a grant from the Joseph P. Kennedy Foundation, according to a September 12, 1960, Reuters report from London. The airlift was a CIA operation to train and indoctrinate future agents of influence in Africa,
Another site with claims
http://www.firetown.com/blog/2010/08/22 ... o-the-cia/
If you don't believe it's true, why are you spreading this stuff around; kind of seems like you do believe it, but don't want to admit as much?

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Post by ruckman101 » Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:28 pm

Always check your sources. Do the research and make sure you're on firm foundation, otherwise I might have to, and you might not like what I find.

Do I agree, disagree? Grains of salt. Kinda like that new age spirituality stuff. There's some resonation, but no out of body surrounded by white light epiphanies for me yet.

Funding is telling.


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Post by steve74baywin » Wed Sep 14, 2011 5:24 am

Lanval wrote:
If you don't believe it's true, why are you spreading this stuff around; kind of seems like you do believe it, but don't want to admit as much?

Mike
I actually do understand that I do not know it all, so I do like to run things by others.
It is also probably likely that we won't know one way or another in the near future.
I also believe information and knowledge is good, so I like to share.
I probably mentioned this before you were around on here, but I look into many different things, many I discard, but I still am also looking and learning. Which is probably why I don't have the same religious, social and political belief's or my youth. I am open minded.
It would be nice if you could grow a little.
Mike, I'd like to give you some advise. You think you are so smart and you actually think you are displaying your smarts, but that is not the case. One thing that I keep seeing is an inability to comprehend and evaluate information. You seem to not understand things people say, you seem to come up with examples that don't apply and are just outright wrong. You assume things and see the worst in people. You seem to be attacking people lately that won't just take what you say. Was there really any need for the post you made in this thread to me?

Now for those that don't think they know it all all ready.
Neal, please do shed some light.
I looked into the guy a bit yesterday, it seems he went after Bush too, so I don't think he is Left or Right.
After I looked into this more yesterday I noticed new information is lacking, like a dead end.
I am actually leaning towards thinking it has some validity.

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Post by Lanval » Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:28 am

steve74baywin wrote:
Lanval wrote:
If you don't believe it's true, why are you spreading this stuff around; kind of seems like you do believe it, but don't want to admit as much?

Mike
I actually do understand that I do not know it all, so I do like to run things by others.
It is also probably likely that we won't know one way or another in the near future.
I also believe information and knowledge is good, so I like to share.
I probably mentioned this before you were around on here, but I look into many different things, many I discard, but I still am also looking and learning. Which is probably why I don't have the same religious, social and political belief's or my youth. I am open minded.
It would be nice if you could grow a little.
Mike, I'd like to give you some advise. You think you are so smart and you actually think you are displaying your smarts, but that is not the case. One thing that I keep seeing is an inability to comprehend and evaluate information. You seem to not understand things people say, you seem to come up with examples that don't apply and are just outright wrong. You assume things and see the worst in people. You seem to be attacking people lately that won't just take what you say. Was there really any need for the post you made in this thread to me?


Now for those that don't think they know it all all ready.
Neal, please do shed some light.
I looked into the guy a bit yesterday, it seems he went after Bush too, so I don't think he is Left or Right.
After I looked into this more yesterday I noticed new information is lacking, like a dead end.
I am actually leaning towards thinking it has some validity.
Wait.... I see the worst in people? In a thread in which you are, on the flimsiest of evidence, accusing the President of being involved in the CIA, hoping to undermine his legitimacy?

I'll take your advise [sic], and offer you this:

Go read about the Dunning-Kruger effect; it may have some relevance to your perception of things.

Mike

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Post by ruckman101 » Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:30 pm

Wayne Madsen. Easy to marginalize with the company he keeps. A conspirator's conspiracist. Or is he a conspiracist's conspirator? Fringe by any standard. Dunning-Kruger afflicted? Would explain a thing or two.


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Re: Obama CIA family ties

Post by RussellK » Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:39 am

Ouch.

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Post by steve74baywin » Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:41 am

RussellK wrote:Ouch.
Yeah, I kinda said the samething.

Seeing the reactions to this piece of info, I bet it turns out true.
Store this one in the memory banks.

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Post by Spezialist » Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:17 pm

I don't see a problem having a president possibly connected to the CIA, it's a fact we had at least one who was a former director of CIA.

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Post by steve74baywin » Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:19 am

Spezialist wrote:I don't see a problem having a president possibly connected to the CIA, it's a fact we had at least one who was a former director of CIA.
I suppose if we face the reality that we don't have a government anything like what is written down. Then no big deal, it is just a bunch of workers for some ruling elites.

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Post by steve74baywin » Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:40 pm

Info is slow to come out on this, not unusual for something pertaining to the CIA.
Something newer.
I think many will consider this source to be conservative.
Not surprising, most info that got out on Bush was exposed by the left, so I wouldn't expect the left to expose Obama, but the right.

http://www.claremont.org/publications/c ... detail.asp
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Obama is as close as one could imagine to a made-to-order front man for contemporary, upscale, shy-about-itself, nouveau socialism. From his earliest age, he shaped his dreams about himself to act out a character wholly fictitious, namely a black American from a humble background who rose up out of brilliance and merit, and who yearns to draw all of America's low-born (plus the rest of mankind) up through the same paths. But he is none of that. Equally imaginary is his vaunted understanding of and sympathy for foreign cultures. A typical multiculturalist, Obama speaks no language other than a peculiar version of English. His native language, loves, and hates are common to some of the most leftist elements of the current American ruling class.

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Post by ruckman101 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:50 pm

The Claremont Institute is a branch of the Heritage Foundation. Conservative indeed. They have supported Sharron Angle and Christine O'Donnell. So I question their sanity, but not their anti-Obama zeal.


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Post by steve74baywin » Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:09 pm

ruckman101 wrote:The Claremont Institute is a branch of the Heritage Foundation. Conservative indeed. They have supported Sharron Angle and Christine O'Donnell. So I question their sanity, but not their anti-Obama zeal.


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Can I ask you from where might you accept criticism of Obama?
You should know there will be very little from the left wing sources.
You knock most things from the neutral people and conspiracy/anti-gov types as far out, and even from Libertarians cause you view us as being used by the right wing conservatives.
Most things from the right are ignored, because, you know, they just say crap about Obama.
So tell me, is there any place something bad about Obama can come from that you will pay any attention too?

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Post by ruckman101 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:24 pm

Trust me, I'm a long way from the "Obama is God" camp. He's human, he's much more part of "the system" than he isn't, or at least as I would like him to be. He's no longer new to politics at the level he is at, and perhaps now he will quit pandering to the right and actually help this country and the people in it. Does he anger me? Sure. But then he has done some great things, too. Any relationship will see spots of anger or annoyance here and there. A relationship that doesn't is suspect.


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Post by steve74baywin » Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:43 pm

ruckman101 wrote:Trust me, I'm a long way from the "Obama is God" camp. He's human, he's much more part of "the system" than he isn't, or at least as I would like him to be. He's no longer new to politics at the level he is at, and perhaps now he will quit pandering to the right and actually help this country and the people in it. Does he anger me? Sure. But then he has done some great things, too. Any relationship will see spots of anger or annoyance here and there. A relationship that doesn't is suspect.


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Thanks, I appreciate that, and that is more how I would have thought you are.

But, what source would you believe a story saying "Obama's family has ties to CIA"?
Think about it, have you set yourself up to not see or believe something bad about Obama?

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