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steve74baywin wrote:

Lanval wrote:This:

steve74baywin wrote:The point I make often, people were deceived into thinking they need the gov to violate someones rights to property for their own good, after they get the people to do this they have the people by the balls, cause the people have just begged the gov to throw away the very thing we fought for, protection of rights. So now the people rights are violated often, things are turned upside down and we now look to a mommy gov to tell us our rights.

and this:

steve74baywin wrote:Tell me more about this Potato famine.

Steve, why should I (or anyone) take seriously your discussion of rights and constitutional interpretation when you don't even know/understand basic elements of the history of this country?

Your comments are dismissive of others in a way that's wholly surprising given how often you are the one lacking in understanding or knowledge ~ as above; why do you assume that Russell not agreeing with you is the same as not understanding? A: Because you believe you see The Truth and that anyone else who sees it will by extension will agree with you. No. Many of your basic assumptions about the nature of the US, and it's form of government, are wrong; not opinion wrong, factually wrong. Which in turn forces even people who might otherwise agree with the aims of your beliefs to argue against you.

You would do well to arm yourself with fewer claims of "conspiracy" and more knowledge of the context and history of the things you discuss. Operating in ignorance and expecting the rest of us to treat you like an oracle is not going to achieve your desires ~ if in fact you wish to reveal some hidden "truth" to the greater collective here.

Best,

Michael L

I either disagree with you or I don't understand what you are saying.
Please clarify.

Lanval wrote: 4. You apparently don't know simple, basic facts about US History.

Thus, your discussion = not convincing.

Mike

steve74baywin wrote:

Lanval wrote: 4. You apparently don't know simple, basic facts about US History.

Thus, your discussion = not convincing.

Mike

Oh, I don't agree with that.
I think I did very good in those threads where we was breaking it down, getting down to the nitty gritty. In fact, I thought I may learn something from you, but, you never did answer some of my concerns. Why don't you go back in those threads and set me straight. I am here willing to read.

ruckman101 wrote:Originally, a public good the corporation would serve was necessary before a business could incorporate. No more.

neal

How the corporation came to be. Originally, corporations were set up to serve the public good. Corporation lawyers gained rights through the US Supreme Court using the 14th Amendment (set up to protect slaves) that gives them the rights of a person. In the last century, the corporation is given more and more rights while people are increasingly stripped of theirs.

Lanval wrote:

steve74baywin wrote:
Oh, I don't agree with that.
I think I did very good in those threads where we was breaking it down, getting down to the nitty gritty. In fact, I thought I may learn something from you, but, you never did answer some of my concerns. Why don't you go back in those threads and set me straight. I am here willing to read.

Fair enough. I won't have time to do that during the next several days, so I'll follow up at the end of the week; this will give me time to work through your writings and see what you've said. I will then follow up with a response be it agree/disagree/what-have-you.

Best,

Mike

steve74baywin wrote: A movie I posted years ago in my movie list thread.
It is where I first learned how corporations evolved.
The Corporation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pin8fbdGV9Y

Edited to add,
I saw the above many years ago.
I am re-watching some of it now, don't know if I will watch it all again or not.
Part two mentions what you said Neal, Let me just post what it says in the description.

How the corporation came to be. Originally, corporations were set up to serve the public good. Corporation lawyers gained rights through the US Supreme Court using the 14th Amendment (set up to protect slaves) that gives them the rights of a person. In the last century, the corporation is given more and more rights while people are increasingly stripped of theirs.