Swivel foot adjusters

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Swivel foot adjusters

Post by satchmo » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:54 am

I didn't find any information here on swivel foot adjusters, so I thought I would post a few pictures.

Most folks agree that swivel foot adjusters are a worthwhile upgrade, particularly when compared to the poor quality of new aftermarket adjusters that tend to wear or mushroom at the tip over time. The swivel foot also reduces side loading on the valve stem and lessens valve guide wear significantly.

There are two types of swivel foot adjusters: Pinto style and Porsche style. The Porsche style are also called 'Elephant Foot' adjusters. The reason why is obvious in the photo below. Pintos on the left and Porsches on the right.

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Pinto swivel foot adjusters are much less expensive than the Porsche style, plus they have that nifty oiling hole in the shaft, so you may be tempted to use them. Don't. That little swiveling ball is known to occasionally dislodge from its socket and, as you can imagine, may cause major problems.

Unfortunately, changing to swivel foot adjusters is not a direct swap in for the stock style. The adjuster thread is only 8mm, so it must be used with rocker arms that are 8mm (from the 72-74 bus engine, I think). Additionally, the swivel foot requires significantly more space between the rocker arm and the valve stem. To get this space you need to do two things:

First, you have to grind off a little bit of the rocker arm. This photo shows the stock rocker arm on the left and the ground rocker arm on the right. Although it is hard to tell, only the surface facing the valve stem is ground down enough to be level with the shoulder of the arm. Sorry the photo is a little blurry.

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The other thing you need to do to gain more clearance is elevate the rocker shaft. This can be done with an appropriate sized washer under the rocker shaft stands. I can't tell you how thick the washer should be. You will decide how thick it should be as you reset your rocker arm geometry.

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The appropriate sized washer will lead to perfect alignment (a straight line) from the valve stem through the adjuster screw when the valve is at half lift. The following photo shows the swivel foot adjusters in place (ignore the rusty nut - it was temporary). The adjuster furthest away shows proper geometry with good alignment of the adjuster and valve stem at half lift position.

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Valve adjustment is a little more difficult after you make the change since there are two fairly large flat surfaces on each side of the feeler blade, but you get used to it. In fact. I think valve adjustment becomes more precise because of the larger surface areas.

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Post by RSorak 71Westy » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:44 pm

I have the EMPI elephants foot version on my type 1 bus engine for the past 15K miles or so and they've been doing great.
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Post by Sylvester » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:27 pm

Thanks for the write up Satchmo! I never really understood where the swivel foot even went. Now I do.
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Post by Bleyseng » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:11 pm

I bought a set of EMPI swivel feet 10 years ago and they lasted 1000 miles until they pounded the ball into the cup. I switched to Porsche ones and have no problems.
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Post by SlowLane » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:03 pm

If you're considering installing swivel-feet on a hydraulic-lifter engine, be sure to first read the warning given by John at Aircooled.net:
http://www.aircooled.net/new-bin/viewpr ... 1283076706
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Post by Amskeptic » Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:48 am

Good write-up, satchmo. I used 911 adjusters in the Road Warrior for 189,000 trouble free miles.
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Post by ruckman101 » Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:45 pm

Sheesh, I've aspired, but maybe I'll stick with the stock.


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Post by satchmo » Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:13 pm

ruckman101 wrote:Sheesh, I've aspired, but maybe I'll stick with the stock.


neal
Here is a photo of why I made the switch to swivel foot adjusters (specifically the Porsche style):

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I think these are aftermarket 8mm adjusters. I don't recall. But check out how much wear there is from only 20K miles. Number four from the left has almost worn down to the threads. The others are quite inconsistent. But they would all make you worried that you have some problem going on that is loosening/increasing the valve clearances.

So maybe the moral here is that if you put in new stock type adjusters, make sure they are genuine VW. And if you put in swivel foot adjusters, make sure they are the Porsche style.

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Post by Lanval » Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:36 pm

satchmo wrote:
ruckman101 wrote:Sheesh, I've aspired, but maybe I'll stick with the stock.


neal
Here is a photo of why I made the switch to swivel foot adjusters (specifically the Porsche style):

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I think these are aftermarket 8mm adjusters. I don't recall. But check out how much wear there is from only 20K miles. Number four from the left has almost worn down to the threads. The others are quite inconsistent. But they would all make you worried that you have some problem going on that is loosening/increasing the valve clearances.

So maybe the moral here is that if you put in new stock type adjusters, make sure they are genuine VW. And if you put in swivel foot adjusters, make sure they are the Porsche style.

Tim
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Post by SlowLane » Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:50 pm

satchmo wrote:So maybe the moral here is that if you put in new stock type adjusters, make sure they are genuine VW.
That's the moral I learned a few years ago. I made the mistake of replacing my aging, pitted valve adjusters with some inexpensive ones from a local engine builder. In fewer than 50 km. the new adjusters had had their faces "smeared" by the valve tips and were shedding metal shavings. I immediately went to the VW dealer and gritted my teeth while paying them $11 for each factory-hardened-and-blesssed adjuster.

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Post by Westy78 » Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:57 pm

SlowLane wrote:
satchmo wrote:So maybe the moral here is that if you put in new stock type adjusters, make sure they are genuine VW.
That's the moral I learned a few years ago. I made the mistake of replacing my aging, pitted valve adjusters with some inexpensive ones from a local engine builder. In fewer than 50 km. the new adjusters had had their faces "smeared" by the valve tips and were shedding metal shavings. I immediately went to the VW dealer and gritted my teeth while paying them $11 for each factory-hardened-and-blesssed adjuster.

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Oof. I remember paying eight bucks a piece a few years ago. And now seeing this thread has reminded me that I sold them in my old engine. I wonder what adjusters came in my engine kit?
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Post by sailorkh » Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:21 am

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Post by Amskeptic » Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:25 am

I bought mine for $9.00/ea in 2002.
I bitched about the price then too.
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Post by 72Hardtop » Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:11 am

Could one switch from say the Pinto style to the Porsche style without any modification/s? A simple swap of the adjusters say?
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Post by satchmo » Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:51 am

72Hardtop wrote:Could one switch from say the Pinto style to the Porsche style without any modification/s? A simple swap of the adjusters say?
Yes, if your rocker arms have already been modified to accept the Pinto style AND you spend a little time making sure your valve geometry is correct after the switch to the Porsche style.

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