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Thank god..!
Too bad his super pac of oil buddies couldn't help him buy his way to the presidency..
Good riddance..
Too bad his super pac of oil buddies couldn't help him buy his way to the presidency..
Good riddance..
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Human history is a story that can be reduced to family, family effects, family dynamics, sibling rivalries, authoritarian asshole dads who spawn murderously raging offspring, bedecked dictators and Goldman Sachs executives alike, spiteful moms who secretly punch their little baby boys to get back at their bully husbands, and we get the Bush clan, from Nazi-sponsor Prescott Bush on down to George HW director of the CIA Bush to his squirming squirmy squirrelly sons like Neil Bush and George junior and good ol Jeb here. Jeb, your mother is not a nice person, and I mean that. You could not co-opt "cool", not where you came from. Sorry.
Colin
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If I had to choose between Jeb and Trump ... Jeb in a heartbeat. I'm genuinely appalled at the American public right now.....if Trump get's the Republican nomination, America WILL have hit an all time low.
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Hmmm. I'm looking for policy to debate, even a discussion of motivation behind a mistaken decision. No, you have read people's minds, analyzed their childhoods, and determined with certainty they are simply evil. Looks a lot like hate. And that has historically been impervious to rational discussion. Sigh. Such is the state of our nation's politics.Amskeptic wrote:Human history is a story that can be reduced to family, family effects, family dynamics, sibling rivalries, authoritarian asshole dads who spawn murderously raging offspring, bedecked dictators and Goldman Sachs executives alike, spiteful moms who secretly punch their little baby boys to get back at their bully husbands, and we get the Bush clan, from Nazi-sponsor Prescott Bush on down to George HW director of the CIA Bush to his squirming squirmy squirrelly sons like Neil Bush and George junior and good ol Jeb here. Jeb, your mother is not a nice person, and I mean that. You could not co-opt "cool", not where you came from. Sorry.
Colin
Truth is like poetry.
And most people fucking hate poetry.
And most people fucking hate poetry.
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My wife is convinced it's Democrats crossing over to deliberately sabotage the Republican nomination. The change in participation rates versus historical averages lends some credence to the theory. But I'm afraid the Republican party is imploding with no outside assistance.TrollFromDownBelow wrote:If I had to choose between Jeb and Trump ... Jeb in a heartbeat. I'm genuinely appalled at the American public right now.....if Trump get's the Republican nomination, America WILL have hit an all time low.
Truth is like poetry.
And most people fucking hate poetry.
And most people fucking hate poetry.
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Are you looking for policy to debate? Let's go.hippiewannabe wrote:Hmmm. I'm looking for policy to debate, even a discussion of motivation behind a mistaken decision. No, you have read people's minds, analyzed their childhoods, and determined with certainty they are simply evil. Looks a lot like hate. And that has historically been impervious to rational discussion. Sigh. Such is the state of our nation's politics.Amskeptic wrote:Human history is a story that can be reduced to family, family effects, family dynamics, sibling rivalries, authoritarian asshole dads who spawn murderously raging offspring, bedecked dictators and Goldman Sachs executives alike, spiteful moms who secretly punch their little baby boys to get back at their bully husbands, and we get the Bush clan, from Nazi-sponsor Prescott Bush on down to George HW director of the CIA Bush to his squirming squirmy squirrelly sons like Neil Bush and George junior and good ol Jeb here. Jeb, your mother is not a nice person, and I mean that. You could not co-opt "cool", not where you came from. Sorry.
Colin
.... meanwhile, I don't believe you.
I maintain my fact-based opinion of the Bush family. What is your opinion of the Bush family?
PRESCOTT
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/s ... ndworldwar
NEIL (and JEB)
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/09/22/busin ... erado.html
"Jeb Bush defaulted on a $4.56 million loan from Broward Federal Savings in Sunrise, Florida. After federal regulators closed the S&L, the office building that Jeb used the $4.56 million to finance was reappraised by the regulators at $500,000, which Bush and his partners paid. The taxpayers had to pay back the remaining 4 million plus dollars."
"Neil Bush was the most widely targeted member of the Bush family by the press in the S&L scandal. Neil became director of Silverado Savings and Loan at the age of 30 in 1985. Three years later the institution was belly up at a cost of $1.6 billion to tax payers to bail out."
You swoop in and determine with certainty that I think the Bushes are "evil". You read my mind and declare that it looks a lot like hate. Yet, you accuse me of reading minds and determining with certainty . . . projection, much?
"And that has historically been impervious to rational discussion. Sigh."
You know damn well I love the human circus and have refuted simple-minded idiots who declare "evil" in the face of their own ignorance. I also refute your simple-minded definition of "hate". That I rip into the patrician Bush Clan is only evidence that I love this country and think we could do better than idolize that bunch of carrion-eating capitalist buzzards.
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Amen! We have been saddled by JEB Bush down here in South Florida, along with his lying, jewelry loving, arrogant spouse, Columba (please Google Columba Bush and US Customs) The entire bunch is a den of thieves. South Florida also brings to you another upstanding career freeloader, WonderBoy Marco Rubio, the human robot. Can you tell the contempt that I feel for these tropical bums? Those midwest Republican moms who love this guy need to spend about a year living in South Florida to see how these guys are created-it would be a real education. Google Rubio and David Rivera, and check out their slimy dealings, along with another crook Ralph Arza.
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I am watching the growing flurry of conspiracy theories. The American public, I believe, has been unnecessarily inflamed by conspiracy theories in the service of cheap political points.hippiewannabe wrote:My wife is convinced it's Democrats crossing over to deliberately sabotage the Republican nomination. The change in participation rates versus historical averages lends some credence to the theory. But I'm afraid the Republican party is imploding with no outside assistance.TrollFromDownBelow wrote:If I had to choose between Jeb and Trump ... Jeb in a heartbeat. I'm genuinely appalled at the American public right now.....if Trump get's the Republican nomination, America WILL have hit an all time low.
These serve to erode public discourse and undermine basic trust.
Over on the Democratic side of the gulf, there have been conspiracy theories regarding Debbie Wasserman-Schultz creating a debate calendar that limited the public's exposure to Sanders, the Clinton campaign fomenting the existence of "Bernie bro's" that were a bunch of mysogynistic women-haters, and I had to respond on a numbers of blogs that people who resonate with Sander's platform are people who are inherently respectful, so where did the Bernie bro's come from? Yeah, the republican circus, similar to the hired people who disrupted the Occupy Wall Street protests.
We are bringing this upon ourselves out of our laziness and desire to clot into thoughtless tribes.
I will happily lend Jeb Bush $20.00 if he is in dire need, I will help George Bush start the chain saw, I would wipe Prescott Bush's drooling chin, but I will call out their public behavior and disastrous decisions, you betcha. I will not, however, take your claim, Don, that I am a hater who cannot engage in rational discourse regarding public policy.
We have an interesting election year coming up, and it would be my pleasure to enjoy a rousing discussion or two here in Free Speech.
Colin
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Chloe - 70 bus . . . 217,593 miles
Naranja - 77 Westy . . . 142,970 miles
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Alexus - 91 Lexus LS400 . . . 96,675 miles
Chloe - 70 bus . . . 217,593 miles
Naranja - 77 Westy . . . 142,970 miles
Pluck - 1973 Squareback . . . . . . 55,600 miles
Alexus - 91 Lexus LS400 . . . 96,675 miles
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You reminded me! Debbie Wasserman Shultz! Another South Florida bum. Man, we just churn them out down here; no wonder Colin was getting antsy, and left town for The Big Cypress. See, I'm an equal opportunity despiser-DWS is a sleaze! Not too fond of her hair, either.
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We need a political candidate "reset" button. After watching last nights abomination of a republican "debate", my GF and I simply looked at each other with disgust. Really? These are our candidates to run our country further into the ground? Looking at the democratic side, there's no candidates there that don't quickly fall into the same ole, same ole category..
Americans are simply sick of Politicians, period. Why do we think "The Donald" is even being considered? Donald looked like a spoiled, New York bully/thug and he's leading the pack.. The only reason that I can wrap my head around that notion is that he's self funding his campaign. Thus, he won't owe any special interest or lobby groups anything, unlike the other grotesque candidates on both sides of the isle.
Americans are simply sick of Politicians, period. Why do we think "The Donald" is even being considered? Donald looked like a spoiled, New York bully/thug and he's leading the pack.. The only reason that I can wrap my head around that notion is that he's self funding his campaign. Thus, he won't owe any special interest or lobby groups anything, unlike the other grotesque candidates on both sides of the isle.
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I like and agree with many of Bernie's views (wall street, political corruption, the 1%'s power) but he's simply not electable nor would I want a socialist running our country.zabo wrote:really? you think bernie is sam ole,same ole?wcfvw69 wrote: Looking at the democratic side, there's no candidates there that don't quickly fall into the same ole, same ole category..
In my humble opinion, it doesn't matter who's in the white house. Until Americans tire of having career politicians who are controlled by their rich lobbyist's and their special interest groups in the senate and congress, nothings going to change. Obama was elected with his "yes we can" campaign slogan. Congress and the senate quickly reminded him "no you can't". What he's accomplished is debatable and congress and the senate proved yet again, they can be a road block for any progress to be made no matter what party is elected.
If there is any positives so far in this election cycle, it's the message being sent to the political establishment by we the people. Trump IS right about our government. Many of our leaders are simply terrible and have been for decades. I'm hopeful that some traction is going to be made at the congressional and senate level during their elections. People need to say enough and stop electing these incompetent people again and again..
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Truth there. Bernie's eventual contribution to this campaign, whether he gains the nomination or not, may be his focussing on the real problem of America's becoming a plutocracy. The test will come when there will be people at all levels of elected government running on a platform of campaign finance reform and a return to true representative government. It may not come with this election, or the next, or the next one after that. But it has to happen sooner or later, unless we as a nation decide that plutocracy is perfectly all right with us.wcfvw69 wrote: In my humble opinion, it doesn't matter who's in the white house. Until Americans tire of having career politicians who are controlled by their rich lobbyist's and their special interest groups in the senate and congress, nothings going to change. .
Bernie and people like Jim Hightower may be voices crying in the wilderness, but I hope that others will take up their cause and make it their own. When that happens, we may actually be able to take our place among the more functional governments of the world. (And I hope you won't be disconcerted, Zabo, when you find that most of them are "socialist.")
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I cannot subscribe to lazy half-analyses that paint Bernie Sanders as a caricature and slaps the label of "socialist" on him without any attempt to illuminate exactly what that means. Come on already! Go read up on actual definitions! Do not lazily fall into the reflexive claptrap that is 2016's version of the 50's "communist!" label.JLT wrote:Truth there. Bernie's eventual contribution to this campaign, whether he gains the nomination or not, may be his focussing on the real problem of America's becoming a plutocracy.wcfvw69 wrote: In my humble opinion, it doesn't matter who's in the white house. Until Americans tire of having career politicians who are controlled by their rich lobbyist's and their special interest groups in the senate and congress, nothings going to change. .
Bernie and people like Jim Hightower may be voices crying in the wilderness, but I hope that others will take up their cause and make it their own.
Bernie is a socialist like we are all socialists, the entire democratic experiment is socialism. Big deal. Wcfvw69, you cannot handle a socialist as President? Why the hell not? Do ya think he'll run roughshod over the legislative branch? (Ha! like Obama did??) Do you think the socialist bogeymen are going to come and steal your taxes in the night? All he can do as President is all Obama could do as President, but wouldn't it be a beautiful thing to at least see a man who is most definitely NOT your typical politician courageously stand in the bully pulpit and good and goddamn change the conversation in this country? Or is that too much?
Of all the candidates, this Bernie guy has hewed more closely to principles than ANY of the others and had the courage to call himself as he sees it, but we are too far gone to see actual decent honesty, let's reduce him to a ten cent sticker "socialist!" so we don't have to listen to the friggen truth he spews so cogently?
Colin
BobD - 78 Bus . . . 112,730 miles
Chloe - 70 bus . . . 217,593 miles
Naranja - 77 Westy . . . 142,970 miles
Pluck - 1973 Squareback . . . . . . 55,600 miles
Alexus - 91 Lexus LS400 . . . 96,675 miles
Chloe - 70 bus . . . 217,593 miles
Naranja - 77 Westy . . . 142,970 miles
Pluck - 1973 Squareback . . . . . . 55,600 miles
Alexus - 91 Lexus LS400 . . . 96,675 miles