'69 1600 Loss of Power

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Re: '69 1600 Loss of Power

Post by Amskeptic » Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:52 pm

Hippie wrote:
bajaman72 wrote:Search around for good/rebuilt ones. I have been finding pretty good deals and they seem to be working out okay.
I will thanks. (New SPs are NLA anyway.) I've had good luck with them too, actually unless I get a big vacuum leak.
Follow through with the forensics here. Pull that valve and look at its seating surface. If you do not determine exactly how the engine screwed up on you, then you will be beset with guessing and paranoia and generalized anxiety.

It very well could be that a soft (at time of manufacture) seat made that clearance close up, which made it not close all the way which leaned out the mixture and gave you an effectively-only-a-three cylinder engine only at speed in the beginning phase when valve was hot and stretched, which then delivered you to a piston-seizure marks, etc.

Let me know your exhaust valve seat width. Below is Squareback January 2008

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Re: '69 1600 Loss of Power

Post by Hippie » Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:46 pm

I'll take a look at the seat, but with all the carbon burned off the dome and pistons, me thinks hot from vacuum leak.
I haven't done squat with it for a few days. Too busy and depressed.
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Re: '69 1600 Loss of Power

Post by Amskeptic » Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:20 pm

Hippie wrote:I'll take a look at the seat, but with all the carbon burned off the dome and pistons, me thinks hot from vacuum leak.
I haven't done squat with it for a few days. Too busy and depressed.
Hippie this might be a chicken and an egg moment. Do not conclude that the (A) "vacuum leak" (B) toasted the engine when it well could be that the (1) soft seat closed a valve clearance, which then caused a (2) "vacuum leak" which (3) heated up the engine but good ... unless you have identified a vacuum leak that presented its proof while you were disassembling the engine. Think with the discipline of those aircraft accident reconstruction experts.
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Chloe - 70 bus . . . 217,593 miles
Naranja - 77 Westy . . . 142,970 miles
Pluck - 1973 Squareback . . . . . . 55,600 miles
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Re: '69 1600 Loss of Power

Post by Hippie » Tue Oct 25, 2011 6:21 pm

Amskeptic wrote:Hippie this might be a chicken and an egg moment.
There was a rather large, deceased chicken lodged between the manifold and the head. How did you know?

Actually, I see what you mean, but the seat would have had to "collapsed" pretty quickly, as the valves had been holding adjustment well and up until about 600 miles before this happened.
Come over and help me fix it? I'm tired of it already. :tongue:
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Re: '69 1600 Loss of Power

Post by Amskeptic » Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:26 am

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Come over and help me fix it? I'm tired of it already. :tongue:
Install a 72,000 btu closed combustion cell heating system in the garage with 300,000 lumens halogen floodlights + illumination enhancement mirrors, and I'll be right there.
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Chloe - 70 bus . . . 217,593 miles
Naranja - 77 Westy . . . 142,970 miles
Pluck - 1973 Squareback . . . . . . 55,600 miles
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Re: '69 1600 Loss of Power

Post by Hippie » Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:32 pm

I got light. The garage is built into the house. Easy to boost the heat, but it never gets that cold as it is surrounded by ground and heated space. Unfortunately that doesn't help because the bus won't fit. Blah!
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Re: '69 1600 Loss of Power

Post by ruckman101 » Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:35 pm

Even with lower tire pressure?


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Re: '69 1600 Loss of Power

Post by Hippie » Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:28 pm

ruckman101 wrote:Even with lower tire pressure?


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Ya. it's like 8 inches too short, IIRC.
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Re: '69 1600 Loss of Power

Post by Amskeptic » Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:10 pm

Hippie wrote:
ruckman101 wrote:Even with lower tire pressure?


neal
Ya. it's like 8 inches too short, IIRC.
Who needs a bus in there? It's the engine we're dealing with.
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BobD - 78 Bus . . . 112,730 miles
Chloe - 70 bus . . . 217,593 miles
Naranja - 77 Westy . . . 142,970 miles
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Re: '69 1600 Loss of Power

Post by ruckman101 » Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:15 pm

True dat.


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Re: '69 1600 Loss of Power

Post by Hippie » Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:26 pm

Amskeptic wrote:Who needs a bus in there? It's the engine we're dealing with.
Colin
Wellllll...you metioned having my garage heated...The engine is acually in the house an a heated, carpeted, well lit room.
I got it on a 4'x4' piece of 1/4" plywood on top of a 12' x 12' tarp. Keeps the carpet clean. It's old carpet, but still....

So when you coming? LOL :bounce:
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Re: '69 1600 Loss of Power

Post by hambone » Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:00 am

Oh yeah I'm sure Mr. K would really enjoy a hearty Iowa winter, powder snow blowing 1,000 miles across the prairie.
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Re: '69 1600 Loss of Power

Post by ruckman101 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:17 pm

It's a dry cold.


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Re: '69 1600 Loss of Power

Post by hambone » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:35 pm

Goes right thru ya like a knife. I have never experienced a cold colder than the Midwest.
Although this 100% humidity NW Winter stuff is a contenda.
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http://pdxvolksfolks.blogspot.com
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your brand new leopard skin pillbox hat

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Re: '69 1600 Loss of Power

Post by sped372 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:12 pm

ruckman101 wrote:It's a dry cold.
That made me laugh! I for one am not quite ready for the onset of winter yet.

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