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Swing lever bushings

Post by bus71 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:50 am

Hi folks. I'm needing new swing lever bushings. I replaced them in late 90s with a set that wore out in 10,000 miles. I replaced those in 2000 and now those are worn( lots of miles). I don't remember brands and was wondering what is out there now that I could rely on. Thanks for any info!

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Post by Amskeptic » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:26 am

bus71 wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:50 am
Hi folks. I'm needing new swing lever bushings. I replaced them in late 90s with a set that wore out in 10,000 miles. I replaced those in 2000 and now those are worn( lots of miles). I don't remember brands and was wondering what is out there now that I could rely on. Thanks for any info!
It is a crap shoot. Currently I suffer FEBI bushings that have worn themselves to a clicky clicky at less then 30,000 miles.
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Chloe - 1970 bus . . . . . . . . . . . 206,787 miles
Naranja - 1977 Westfalia . . . . . 94,615 miles
Pluck - 1973 Squareback . . . . . 55,510 miles
Alexus - 1991 Lexus LS400 . . . 72,990 miles

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Post by sgkent » Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:47 pm

If you can find them, the factory bushings and center pin are tighter to begin with than any of the reproductions. The original factory bushings I have not seen around - they had a mottled surface that allowed grease to collect in pockets to minimize wear. Those were replaced by solid bushings with one hole. My conclusion is that the latest bushings need grease more often. The Feb pin is the same diameter as the factory pin, however the bushings had slightly more play in them. Also the topcap is thinner which allows it to tin can a little.

You'll need a group buy to get past Joanna's shipping charges. https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds ... id=1758583
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Post by tommu » Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:55 pm

sgkent wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:47 pm
You'll need a group buy to get past Joanna's shipping charges. https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds ... id=1758583
I'm in.

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Post by asiab3 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:14 pm

sgkent wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:47 pm
You'll need a group buy to get past Joanna's shipping charges. https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds ... id=1758583
Careful guys- these are split window bushings, 62-67. They will require a careful lathe operation to install. Details are found here, with some measurements. Essentially, you will need to take the outer diameter down exactly one millimeter for a good press fit into a bay beam. Then you'll need to ream the insides out with a brake hone or proper reamer. (24mm straight flute style reamers show up online.)

http://haysvwrepair.com/how-to-make-you ... t-no-play/

Please note, some of his installation "techniques" are questionable, like Colin says below. But I think the technical information is worth reading to prep for the job, just like Colin's center pin articles on here.
Amskeptic wrote:
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This guy is a "no". He misses the fact that that the upper bushing does NOT set "endplay", and he should not even be entertaining the notion.

The upper bushing must protrude only 1-2mm as an index for the thrust washer. The pin is designed (and must) to float vertically a bit utilizing the large wavy washer under the head of the pin against the positive location of the relay lever and its clamp bolt. Our c-clamp compression step to allow the clamp bolt to go through the center pin's cut-out will dictate the end play.

Also, strongly recommended is to not bash the pin through the bushings with brute force, you are setting yourself up for galling. They should be reamed so that easy taps drive the pin reliably through the bushings without violence.

Colin's procedure:
Part 1-
http://itinerant-air-cooled.com/viewtop ... =45&t=3164

Part 2-
http://itinerant-air-cooled.com/viewtop ... =45&t=3165


I personally think we need to find out what bushing kit whc03grady bought in 2015, and use a brake hone for optimal fit, in my opinion.

http://itinerant-air-cooled.com/viewtop ... ng#p214923


Good luck folks!
Robbie
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100k miles with me.
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Post by sgkent » Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:26 am

Robbie - look up the part number that Bays use. Joanna is selling 211 405 317 B . I believe you will find that the part without the B is for early splits. Please don't assume Joanna always knows exactly what she has. The version without the B is brass and requires reaming. The B version is babbitt. They fit my bus fine without reaming. If you know a better part number please post it.

From Early Bay Fiche the part number is 14

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Late Fiche

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Post by asiab3 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:56 pm

SGKent- I'm looking all over the web and seeing parts like this, with the same number, hence my confusion.

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp ... -405-317-B
http://www.wolfsburgeast.com/en/online- ... -317B-3855
http://www.justkampers.com/211-405-317- ... -1967.html

TheSamba ad evens says "King Pin Bushings" and while the part number matches the Bay microfiche, I'm confused why no retailers mark the cross reference for bay buses.

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Post by sgkent » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:20 am

asiab3 wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:56 pm
SGKent- I'm looking all over the web and seeing parts like this, with the same number, hence my confusion.

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp ... -405-317-B
http://www.wolfsburgeast.com/en/online- ... -317B-3855
http://www.justkampers.com/211-405-317- ... -1967.html

TheSamba ad evens says "King Pin Bushings" and while the part number matches the Bay microfiche, I'm confused why no retailers mark the cross reference for bay buses.

Robbie
Ask them. Occurred to me too but its not my job to label their parts. That is what the fiche is for.
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Post by bus71 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:53 pm

Late getting back to this. Thanks all for the info. Decided to live with it for now. Not up to modifying split bus bushings at the moment. I'm afraid others might leave me no better than where I'm at. Wish someone could afford to commit to make us good parts. I would pay more but recent experience with so called o.e.m quality has left me jaded.

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Post by Amskeptic » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:54 pm

bus71 wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:53 pm
Late getting back to this. Thanks all for the info. Decided to live with it for now. Not up to modifying split bus bushings at the moment. I'm afraid others might leave me no better than where I'm at. Wish someone could afford to commit to make us good parts. I would pay more but recent experience with so called o.e.m quality has left me jaded.
Alas, the causes for today's jadedness can open a whole big can of worms, but I think we are seeing fresh and dire evidence of our need to step up and participate in many aspects of modern life.

A change in attitude has occurred. The corporate milieu has become ever more out of touch with their core competence and has replaced interaction with creepy automated "customer service" messages that allow them to coast into cynical mediocrity "wait times are unexpectedly long, please hold, your call is (cough-cough) very important to us."
It is an attitude seen at Wells Fargo, in Washington DC, at Motel6, and in several manufacturing enterprises like Toyota (and Volkswagen!) where the customer has become the annoyance if not the enemy. We used to battle our laziness when we got up and went to work. The entire social contract demanded it. If you were off your competence or friendly attitude towards customers game, your boss (who was an actual part of the business and may have actually built it him or herself) would urge you to get back in the saddle with friendly threats of getting your sorry ass fired, and what would your mother say?

Now, at Wells Fargo, the management promotes having their agents lie to their customers, or doing underhanded little tricks like signing you up with accounts without your consent or knowledge, forcing you into insurance contracts that you are not made aware of, and only because they got caught did they spew customer-speak about "regaining our customers' trust", and perhaps the CEO steps down with a golden parachute that clearly shows that crime pays. In Washington, we now have so many policies that fly in the face of the Will of the People, that I have to ask who are our representatives actually answering to?

Our parts suppliers are top-heavy with the "investor owner" who knows nothing about the actual parts, the history of the cars they go into, and certainly not the trials and tribulations of the customers who haplessly try to get these things to fit. These people are surrounded by all the evidence that they need that customers and citizens alike are merely impediments to profits. This is the new normal, and every day that they get away with it, they are emboldened to keep sticking it to the consumer.

They will not change unless we demand it. But we are too polite, too accommodating, too naive, too worn down to get on the phone and speak with our servicers or sellers, their suppliers or manufacturers. And like modern phone service companies like Verizon, you will never never ever speak with anyone in the organization who has actual discretion over how things are done.

So, wait until your tie rods are bobbing up and down dizzily, and your steering is a horror of vague wandering, then stick in a FEBI kit, and even if it is too sloppy, at least you will discern an improvement.
Colin
BobD - 1978 Bus . . . . . . . . . . .111,130 miles
Chloe - 1970 bus . . . . . . . . . . . 206,787 miles
Naranja - 1977 Westfalia . . . . . 94,615 miles
Pluck - 1973 Squareback . . . . . 55,510 miles
Alexus - 1991 Lexus LS400 . . . 72,990 miles

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