Helping your MPG

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Helping your MPG

Post by RussellK » Mon May 07, 2012 7:34 am

My MPG seems to be getting worse lately. First thing I'm going to do is check my odometer to see if it is actually working correctly. What steps do you take to improve mileage?

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Re: Helping your MPG

Post by sped372 » Mon May 07, 2012 7:48 am

Slow down. :)
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Re: Helping your MPG

Post by JLT » Mon May 07, 2012 9:37 am

Do a tune-up: adjust valves, timing, carb settings. In other words, do Chapter 10 of the Idiot Book.

Check your tire pressures, and correct as necessary.

Have you added a roof rack? if so, that may be the cause.
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Re: Helping your MPG

Post by tristessa » Mon May 07, 2012 9:53 am

In addition to JLT's suggestions, take any un-needed "junk" out of the Bus. It's surprising how much camping gear weighs when you put it all together...
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Re: Helping your MPG

Post by RussellK » Mon May 07, 2012 11:41 am

No Roof Rack but plenty of camping gear that I hadn't given much thought. What about any adjustment to the AFM?

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Re: Helping your MPG

Post by Bleyseng » Mon May 07, 2012 1:57 pm

What's your mpg now?
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Re: Helping your MPG

Post by drober23 » Mon May 07, 2012 3:32 pm

Russ,

I may be a pretty close comparable. I have a '75 Westfalia (with a 2.0 L motor). It has a bunch of stuff in it, and I like to drive it 70 mph.

That said, I have been playing with my AFR because my spark plugs looked like I was running a bit lean. (The AFM experimentation came AFTER an exiguous search for vacuum leaks, and a re-verification of spark, advance, and dwell).

My initial settings had me just under 17 MPG (16.8) average over several thousand miles. AFM cruising at 70 after warmup was around 13.9.

Dropping to a very rich 11.5 left me at 14.7 mpg (only a 200 mile sample).

Correcting closer to 13.0 at at 70 mph netted me 16.5 mpg over my last 300 miles. Haven't checked my plugs yet to see how "lean" they look.

That said, Colin had a very good post on that other site where he did lots of experimentation. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewto ... hlight=afr

That said. If your spark plugs look the right color, I would be hesitant to mess with the AFR. Leaning your mixture will increase cylinder head temps, and shorten the life of your heads.
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Re: Helping your MPG

Post by RussellK » Tue May 08, 2012 6:42 am

I dropped from 16 mpg to 7. I hadn't done anything to the engine or changed driving habits. It's kept in a locked garage so its not theft.

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Re: Helping your MPG

Post by bretski » Tue May 08, 2012 6:49 am

Start with a basic tune up, as mentioned above by JTL. Can you smell gas in your exhaust fumes or see soot buildup on your tailpipe? 16 to 7 is quite a drop. Is this over one tank or several?
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Re: Helping your MPG

Post by Bleyseng » Tue May 08, 2012 7:15 am

Check that the CHT is in spec (it fails to going too rich) and that the cold start valve isn't stuck open or that anyother injectors aren't stuck or clogged open. Sitting does this.
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Re: Helping your MPG

Post by RussellK » Tue May 08, 2012 8:19 am

This is over 3 tanks. I'm going to pull the plugs and see what color I have and start checking everything else.

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Re: Helping your MPG

Post by TrollFromDownBelow » Tue May 08, 2012 9:41 am

check your temp sensor II for correct resistance as well as that it is fully seated in the head....mine gave me FITS for over a year, and one of symptoms was awful mpg .... 12-13 mpg hwy @ ~ 55-60 mph.

With no vac leaks, a good temp sensor II, and cruising around 62-65 actual mph (GPS confirmed v. 65-70 on the speedo) I get ~ 17-19 mpg
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Re: Helping your MPG

Post by JLT » Tue May 08, 2012 10:06 am

RussellK wrote:I dropped from 16 mpg to 7. I hadn't done anything to the engine or changed driving habits. It's kept in a locked garage so its not theft.
Yow! With that steep a drop-off, there's something else to consider: Is the fuel system leaking? It may not show up when parked with the engine off, but look at the fuel lines, pump, etc. very carefully when there's pressure in the system.

This is especially important. You don't want your bus to end up toast, in the most literal sense of the term.
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Re: Helping your MPG

Post by RussellK » Tue May 08, 2012 11:57 am

No fuel leaks I checked for that one already. I really appreciate all the suggestions.

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Re: Helping your MPG

Post by Gypsie » Tue May 08, 2012 1:00 pm

locking gas cap?

Any changes in performance? Sluggish? That big of a drop should come with some sort of notable change.

I like the stuck injector theory as well as the nasty little TEMP II sensor possibility.

Over 3 tanks, like

"16mpg, fill, 14mpg, fill, 10mpg, fill, 7mpg..."
or
"One day I noticed that I was getting poor mpg and the next two tanks confirmed it"

do the 'pull one plug wire at a time elimination test' to see if all cylinders are in the game.

establish what the AFM is telling you about what your engine wants (more fuel, less fuel, just right...)

Curiouser and curiouser....
So it all started when I wanted to get better gas mileage....

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