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Re: Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court

Post by hippiewannabe » Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:15 pm

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b) I don't understand what you are saying here. Are you saying that Ford is filling in the gaps? Or "Bart" and his occasional pukefests after drinking beer?
Ford and Kavanaugh opponents fill in the gap with the assumption it was at a location and on a date when he was there. The fact that there are understandable reasons for not remembering does not mean you get to eliminate the presumption of innocence and go without some reasonable level of corroboration.

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Susan Collins tweeted of ex-Senator Al Franken,
“Sexual harassment and assault have no place in any workplace. The reports involving Senator Franken are disturbing.
His belated apology was certainly warranted.”
A stupid picture of Al Franken pantomiming touching a sleeping soldier's breasts are cause to call for the resignation of a US Senator.
But perjury, hidden documentation, excessive drinking, more than one sexual assault, and the very most belligerent display of an entitlement tantrum in front of the Judiciary Committee are qualities you accept in a Supreme Court Justice.
You and your colleagues, Susan, are beneath contempt.
The stupid picture was not what led him to resign. The woman in the picture was one of seven women that came forward with well corroborated, recent incidents of harassment and groping, with dates and locations. The picture was just irresistible for the media, but all it represents is another bit of corroboration that confirmed a clear pattern of behavior. I think he could have apologized for being an entitled jerk who got used to doing whatever he wanted to women because he was a celebrity. It could have been a teachable moment for the nation that we now know this kind of behavior is unacceptable. We can be forgiven, and learn and grow. But the mob had formed and demanded his scalp.

Here's what Collins said with regard to resignation: “it would be best for the Senate if he followed the advice of his Democratic colleagues,” That's as much a recognition that the mob was preventing the Senate from doing its work as it was her disgust at unwanted, wet, open-mouthed kisses and groping (again, all well documented and corroborated). She was one of few Republicans that commented, It was the Democratic caucus that pounced on him and made his position untenable.
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Re: Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court

Post by tommu » Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:49 pm

the mob
Right Wing bingo!

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Post by hippiewannabe » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:08 pm

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the mob
Right Wing bingo!
Seriously? Call it what you want. It was a crowd of people that fed off each other's emotions and developed a momentum that couldn't be stopped. The fact that many of them now regret it is proof. Let's just call it a wave then, so you don't get triggered.
A wave of Democratic officials, including Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and more than half of all Democratic senators, called on Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) to resign Wednesday over numerous allegations of sexual misconduct.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/ ... ign-282175
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Re: Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court

Post by tommu » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:37 pm

Righhht. So you used the phrase ‘mob’ just like that. Nothing to do with your boys in the senate looking for a phrase to dehumanize your fellow Americans exercising their constitutional right to free speech? Or does free speech only matter when you’re carrying a tiki torch? Please.

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Post by hippiewannabe » Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:15 pm

Right. I used the term mob to describe a gang of people carrying pitch forks and torches chasing a person out of town. Coincidentally, I happened to see on the news tonight where "my boys" in the senate did use that term to describe the screaming Soros-funded victims who cornered Senator Flake in an elevator, and the well organized disruptors who hogged all the tickets into the gallery for the hearings. Meh. The term does seem to fit.
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Re: Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court

Post by tommu » Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:55 pm

Hah. Funny trolling.

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Post by hippiewannabe » Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:30 pm

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Hah. Funny trolling.
Yeah, I was going to call you on it if there was one more round. I'm trying to show how two people can draw different conclusions from the same facts, and both still be good people.
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Post by Amskeptic » Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:47 pm

hippiewannabe wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:15 pm
Right. I used the term mob to describe a gang of people carrying pitch forks and torches chasing a person out of town. Coincidentally, I happened to see on the news tonight where "my boys" in the senate did use that term to describe the screaming Soros-funded victims who cornered Senator Flake in an elevator, and the well organized disruptors who hogged all the tickets into the gallery for the hearings. Meh. The term does seem to fit.

"the screaming Soros-funded victims"

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Re: Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court

Post by Abscate » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:37 am

SCOTUS John Paul Stevens (retired) - a lifelong Republican...

" Although we may never know with complete certainty the identity of the winner of this year's Presidential election, the identity of the loser is perfectly clear. It is the Nation's confidence in the judge as an impartial guardian of the rule of law."

That was on Bush v. Gore

I think everyone knows that he thought of BK.

There is no 'presumption of innocence" to sit on SCOTUS

What is required is an impeccable record beyond reproach.

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Post by Amskeptic » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:28 pm

Abscate wrote:
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There is no 'presumption of innocence" to sit on SCOTUS

What is required is an impeccable record beyond reproach.

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Post by 72Hardtop » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:32 am

After 20 years in law enforcement one of the first things I learned as a rookie...."If it wasn't reported it didn't happen'. Laying claim to something that happened decades earlier without so much as a single piece of credible coo-berating evidence means you are not credible on any level. No DA in America would build a case on such evidence.

Fords claim was based on an 'attempted assault' (no actual rape). Without a rape it doesn't fall under the violent offense category therefore statue of limitations prevails. Now if she had only reported it 36 years ago maybe she would have fared better.

Personally...I didn't believe her story the slightest and now it's beginning to look like she may be on the hot seat. In America we all are presumed innocent until proven guilty IN a court of law. In...being the catch word.
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Re: Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court

Post by Amskeptic » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:53 am

72Hardtop wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:32 am
"If it wasn't reported it didn't happen'.
Laying claim to something that happened decades earlier without so much as a single piece of credible coo-perating evidence means you are not credible on any level. No DA in America would build a case on such evidence.

This was not a trial piece, 72Hardtop. This was not a discussion of a criminal case.

This was a discussion of a person's moral character and judgment. The rules of evidence apply less in the inspection of a person's curriculum vitae.

As to "laying claim to something that happened decades earlier", you post suggests that all of the victims of the Catholic Church, and all of the young victims of Dr. Nassar are totally out of luck in your world.

Not mine. I have seen and experienced first-hand exactly why people are paralyzed for years/decades after insidious assaults against a person's trust, intimacy, and body. So while I would never prosecute Brett Kavanaugh for his behavior of years ago, I sure as hell would neither nominate nor select him to be a Supreme Court Justice.
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(p.s. there was corroborating evidence against Kavanaugh that was squelched)
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Re: Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court

Post by 72Hardtop » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:34 pm

Amskeptic wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:53 am
72Hardtop wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:32 am
"If it wasn't reported it didn't happen'.
Laying claim to something that happened decades earlier without so much as a single piece of credible coo-perating evidence means you are not credible on any level. No DA in America would build a case on such evidence.

This was not a trial piece, 72Hardtop. This was not a discussion of a criminal case.

This was a discussion of a person's moral character and judgment. The rules of evidence apply less in the inspection of a person's curriculum vitae.

As to "laying claim to something that happened decades earlier", you post suggests that all of the victims of the Catholic Church, and all of the young victims of Dr. Nassar are totally out of luck in your world.

Not mine. I have seen and experienced first-hand exactly why people are paralyzed for years/decades after insidious assaults against a person's trust, intimacy, and body. So while I would never prosecute Brett Kavanaugh for his behavior of years ago, I sure as hell would neither nominate nor select him to be a Supreme Court Justice.
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(p.s. there was corroborating evidence against Kavanaugh that was squelched)
To even be seated on the 2nd highest court in the nation requires a great deal of investigative background work. Nothing was squelched because there was nothing to squelch.

The church cases are an entirely different scenario given many fall under the (violent offense category). Fords case did not. At best it was a misdemeanor offense to which does fall under the 'Statute of limitations'.

A hearing is no place for accusing (discussion of criminal act) one of possible criminal misconduct. That starts by reporting it to the police and then presenting a case to the local district attorney. That means reporting the crime in a timely manner. Clearly she had no case and she's now on the hot seat along with the porn stars attorney.
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Post by Amskeptic » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:16 am

72Hardtop wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:34 pm
A hearing is no place for accusing (discussion of criminal act) one of possible criminal misconduct.

I agree. That is why I wanted the FBI to have time to conduct an actual discrete check.
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Re: Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court

Post by 72Hardtop » Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:04 pm

Amskeptic wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:16 am
72Hardtop wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:34 pm
A hearing is no place for accusing (discussion of criminal act) one of possible criminal misconduct.

I agree. That is why I wanted the FBI to have time to conduct an actual discrete check.
Like Chuck Grassley USED TO champion!
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Given how many backgrounds he's already had to just be seated on the 2nd highest court in the nation. I think we've had far more than enough already. On the flip side...Ford is now on the hot seat, as is another who got caught recently to fabricating another claim against Kavanaugh out of Oceanside. Ca.

https://www.businessinsider.com/brett-k ... on-2018-11

This will pull Kamala Harris into the hotseat given she went on the front for her claim. Busted.

One word best describes Kamala Harris.

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