"Donald Trump Poisons The World"

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Re: "Donald Trump Poisons The World"

Post by JLT » Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:28 pm

sgkent wrote:
Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:16 pm
He is shaking up the status quo.
Is that what you see? All I see is him entrenching the status quo by deregulating banks, promoting lower taxes for the rich at the expense of the middle class, trying to roll back Obama-era reforms in health care, police monitoring, environmental protections, and so on. He wants to move the country backward, not forward. Of course, if you think things were better in the Reagan/Bush era, you may think that this is a good thing. Maybe that is where our politics diverge.
my personal belief is that by the end of 8 years of one party in power corruption will begin to creep in regardless of who is in power. We needed a change. Bernie was a nice guy, we supported him $$ but did not throw our votes his way. Unfortunately he was unable to fend off someone as simple as the head of his own party.
I agree with that. Bernie was unable to make an end run around the Democratic Party machine the way Trump did with the Republican machine. But he came awfully close. That's why I believe that if the Democrats have a future, it's by going with the progressive agenda and rejecting the "big money" and "incremental progress" of the past.
If you want to see what happens in the kind of socialism that is being promoted now in the progressive movement look no further than Venezuela (or Argentina under Peron in the 1940' and 50's.)


Apples and oranges. Chavez's Venezuela and Peron's Argentina are poster children for failed socialist states, I'll grant you that. In both cases, these countries degenerated into opposing factions that put their own quest for power over true social concerns such as medicine, education, and such. It doesn't have to be that way, as any number of European countries can demonstrate.

There is too much economic chaos and ethnic racism in this country for us to achieve the European model of socialism. That requires planning and people working together in a common culture. Americans lack that.
You bring up an interesting point. Yes, there's a lot of economic chaos and ethnic racism, which Trump's campaign used brilliantly. That's what got them elected, and --- here's my point --- that's why they don't want it to go away. The more people feel economically beleaguered, and the more they're encouraged to blame it on other races and religions, the likelier they are to vote for people like Trump. So if you're looking for Trump's people to turn that around, don't hold your breath.

As for people working together in a common culture, there's a lot to be said for that. That's why I have come to believe that two years of national service should be obligatory for everybody ... young or old, male or female, healthy or less healthy (at least to the extent of their disability). It could be the military, or it could be the Peace Corps or VISTA-style programs, but it should be something that gives people a sense of investment in how the country runs and how it takes care of its citizens. We had that in World War II, both with the millions serving in the military and the organizations that worked to support them on the home front. And we should start teaching civics again, so that people have some idea of how government works and how laws are passed. There's a shocking ignorance of that in the American public and, it seems, in the President himself.
Last re the gas - late bays dump fuel. There are countless threads on it. The issue is the gas foams too much and the lack of an adequate breather in the fill tube cause it to back up. The only way to fill and not spill is to go painfully slow filling the bus.
I'm sure you're right about that, but I'm not so sure how that fits into the discussion. (I assume you were referencing my comment on buying gas in California.) Does California gas foam up more than gas in the rest of the country? Is the lack of an adequate breather due to some sort of state or federal regulation, or is it just bad design, or good design for the time but not able to accommodate modern fuel delivery systems? As you pointed out, the ARB considers it a problem with older cars, and I guess they're right. But that's the kind of price we pay when we drive older cars, isn't it? Is it right to tell them, "I drive a forty-year old car, and I insist that all your gas pumps be designed in a way to make it possible for my old car to be fueled just like everybody else's modern cars"? That's kind of like asking every computer company to provide drives for 8" floppy disks, just because you have so much stuff stored on them. Progress marches on, you know.
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Re: "Donald Trump Poisons The World"

Post by sgkent » Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:19 pm

I have no problem with a mandatory 2, 3 or 4 year paid public service. IMHO the benefits would outweigh the costs. Regardless bleeding hearts will call it slavery. Radical non-conformity is promoted by many in this culture yet so many try in everything they do to conform to the social standard of the week.

Bad design complicated by ARB rules. They don't care about old cars. The fellow in charge of that area told me that the filler standards started in 1988 and that is all ARB considered. He said we can ask the station staff to fill the tank but if they spill too then they have to deny gas to the car. Brilliant solution, then he added you should see how bad the folks with old license plate fillers have it.. . I found numerous posts where modern cars had the problem too and in each case the fix was the manufacturer replaced the design with one that had a larger breather that came farther up the neck like the early bays have. The only difference is that they have a rollover valve in the breather for some reason which I can't grasp because if the cap falls off then it doesn't matter whether the tank drains upside down thru the breather or filler - the effect is the same - spilled fuel and a possible fire. I do agree that we have old cars but then why not grandfather in one pump and nozzle for those of us who do. Give us some kind of special pass to use it. I get fuel into ours very slowly - that is the only way not to spill. Slowly means a trickle with the trigger barely pulled. FWIW England announced last week that hydrocarbon based cars will no longer be sold by 2040 in England. That is progressive. Enjoy the bus while you can if it comes here next.
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Re: "Donald Trump Poisons The World"

Post by JLT » Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:53 am

sgkent wrote:
Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:19 pm
I have no problem with a mandatory 2, 3 or 4 year paid public service. IMHO the benefits would outweigh the costs. Regardless bleeding hearts will call it slavery.
Ah, those bleeding-heart liberals. You know that people like Jon Stewart and Bernie Sanders would be the first to call it slavery ... except that they're on record as endorsing the idea. Are there other bleeding hearts you're thinking of? Maybe you could give me some of their names, so I can write to them as fellow bleeding-heart liberals. (Of course, I realize that you didn't use the word "liberal" but I haven't heard of any "bleeding-heart conservatives" so I assume that liberals are the only surviving members of the species.)
I do agree that we have old cars but then why not grandfather in one pump and nozzle for those of us who do. Give us some kind of special pass to use it.
That's an interesting thought. Maybe you could suggest that to your state representative. I'm sure that other re-fueling agencies at places like racetracks and airports already enjoy some exemptions, which could be a precedent. The only impediment then would be market-based; are there enough old buses and other cars in the Citrus Heights area to keep Merlin's Stop-n-Go in business?
FWIW England announced last week that hydrocarbon based cars will no longer be sold by 2040 in England. That is progressive. Enjoy the bus while you can if it comes here next.
Well, that won't mean that they'll be taking all the gas-fueled (OK, petrol-fueled) cars off the road at that time, and stop selling fuel for them. Gas will still be available, although it will be a lot more expensive, probably. If we want to keep our buses and bugs on the road at a reasonable price, maybe it's time for some bright engineer to design a fuel-cell engine that plugs onto the standard VW transaxle. I'd buy one.
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(sometimes towing a '65 Allstate single-wheel trailer)
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'70 Frankenwestie "Blunder Bus"
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Re: "Donald Trump Poisons The World"

Post by airkooledchris » Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:19 am

There must be someone in California with a classic car that has found a way to bypass that stupid hose problem.

If you were willing to just break the law, is there a way to vent the system with an on/off option that would allow the fuel to flow without backing up and spilling down the side?
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Re: "Donald Trump Poisons The World"

Post by Amskeptic » Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:06 am

sgkent wrote:
Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:19 pm
I have no problem with a mandatory 2, 3 or 4 year paid public service. IMHO the benefits would outweigh the costs. Regardless bleeding hearts will call it slavery.
Oh STOP IT. Liberals invented the Peace Corps and Americorps and VISTA and the Civilian Conservation Corps (and Governor Jerry Brown's California Conservation Corps), and it was of course, small-minded republicans who fought all of it. Bleeding hearts (of whom I am just one) are happy to serve towards an honest just cause.
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Re: "Donald Trump Poisons The World"

Post by Amskeptic » Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:10 am

airkooledchris wrote:
Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:19 am
There must be someone in California with a classic car that has found a way to bypass that stupid hose problem.

If you were willing to just break the law, is there a way to vent the system with an on/off option that would allow the fuel to flow without backing up and spilling down the side?

My 1978 bus accepts fuel just fine if I dole it in at a moderst rate. Interestingly, you work against yourself if you try to straighten the nozzle or hold it more directly into the opening. It actually seems to flow better if you let the pump nozzle sag down so the outlet of the nozzle is hitting the upper part of the inlet circle inside of the unleaded restrictor.
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Re: "Donald Trump Poisons The World"

Post by Spezialist » Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:46 am

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A two minute trailer, of a short movie about an old man written about in an old book.

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Re: "Donald Trump Poisons The World"

Post by tommu » Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:39 am

airkooledchris wrote:
Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:19 am
There must be someone in California with a classic car that has found a way to bypass that stupid hose problem.
I insert, twist upside down and hold the bellows in a little. No problem filling. Funnily enough my wife's 2016 Jag requires exactly the same treatment. Clearly it wasn't designed with California in mind. Either.

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