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What The Debate Says About America . . .

Post by Amskeptic » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:45 am

It says that we are slowly devolving into a Roman circus.

Let's say that you did not know of my personal beliefs (that I am a hard-ass Republican one-on-one, and a bleeding heart Democrat on national policy level), would you hear my objective opinion that this debate was a circus?
The "analysis" of the debate was awful.
CNN had a round-table of people trying to keep their jobs by blathering about witless points of "style".
Fox News gravely put forth the impressions of "correspondents" that Trump clearly won.
MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell, Rachel Maddow, and Chris Hayes went "All In" on Trump's character deficiencies.
The New York Times and Washington Post devoted several articles to the back-and-forth between Clinton and Trump.

Nowhere did I see a rational discussion of the nation's current position both domestically or internationally, our plans/hopes for the future, and which candidate's policy plans might help us achieve those plans/hopes.

Neither did I see any sort of analysis of the policies actually executed over the past administration's time in office, the ones that worked versus the ones that didn't.

We are a nation of children, adrift in our abundance, bereft of direction, and getting lost in the noise of our own boredom, yet, there is so much to do, there are looming challenges, and we need to stake a principled position from a foundation of Moral Purpose.

This debate was a disgraceful commentary.
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Post by dingo » Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:12 am

Politics, as an arena of collective and creative action, is dead dead dead......the system is completely rigged and is collapsing under the weight of its own greed and lust for power. Not even Global Galaxy Collision can save it. Enjoy the display of carnage as you drive by. Its time for humanity to crawl out of the fetid swamp.
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Post by Amskeptic » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:48 pm

dingo wrote:It is time for humanity to crawl out of the fetid swamp.
Prescription(s), please.
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Post by wcfvw69 » Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:56 pm

Our only hope is a bomb detonating at the next debate to prevent either one of those idiots from getting in the white house.. Watching ALL of that last debate made me be embarrassed to be an American.

Whoever came up with that line of "320 million Americans and these two were the BEST we could come up with" was brilliant.
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Post by Bleyseng » Sun Oct 02, 2016 6:53 am

I think HC did ok, spelling out several plans she has for what is wrong in the US. She has a track record of getting some things done while in office as a Senator and SoS.
Trump just read from his book "Mein Trumf". I have no idea what he was talking about.
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Post by zabo » Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:20 am

the transcripts of trumps replies make fascinating reading

http://www.vox.com/2016/9/26/13065174/f ... nton-trump
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Post by Amskeptic » Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:51 am

And now . . . the circus continues to devolve.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/us/po ... ology.html
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Post by Jivermo » Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:18 am

The man has an uncanny knack at throwing aviation gasoline on his own fire. His pussy clutching and penchant for unsolicited kissing of the fair sex may finally topple him. I feel like we are living in a ribald Looney Tunes cartoon, and Porky cannot appear any too soon, with his awaited call of, "That's All, Folks!"

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Post by Amskeptic » Sun Oct 09, 2016 5:25 am

Jivermo wrote:The man has an uncanny knack at throwing aviation gasoline on his own fire. His pussy clutching and penchant for unsolicited kissing of the fair sex may finally topple him. I feel like we are living in a ribald Looney Tunes cartoon, and Porky cannot appear any too soon, with his awaited call of, "That's All, Folks!"
I shall watch tonight's debate installment.

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Post by zabo » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:38 am

And if the two people who want to lead the country, who should be the best their parties can offer, can’t even shake hands with an opponent, then civility, politics and America lose.
http://www.aljazeera.com/blogs/americas ... 43513.html


My 14 yr old son was watching with me around 10:15 I decided to turn it off. He was not learning anything by watching this and it is an embarrassment that this debate has anything to do with the presidency.
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Post by Amskeptic » Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:39 am

Well, that was "interesting". We have reached a new low in uncouth incivility, and the media response did not help in the slightest. I am so disappointed in CNN.

Our Nation is not calling its higher angels. We The People somehow have to ask for better. Just like us VW hobbyists who need to demand higher quality parts from our vendors (who sure as heck aren't going to offer of their own volition), We The People have to nudge our journalists and our candidates to focus on their jobs.

Each question from the people in the "town hall" was substantive. Yet, Anderson Cooper went right back to the tit-for-tat idiocy. It is appalling to realize that we need to shield our children from this spectacle.

Donald Trump is but a symptom of our intellectual rot.
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Post by Jivermo » Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:07 am

Donald Trump is but a symptom of our intellectual rot.
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As is Anderson Cooper. What I would give to have a real journalist, the likes of Walter Cronkite, Huntley or Brinkley, Edward R. Murrow or Eric Severeid conduct the debates. Cooper is a pretty boy moron, and I'm being kind here.

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Post by Amskeptic » Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:57 pm

Jivermo wrote:
Donald Trump is but a symptom of our intellectual rot.
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As is Anderson Cooper. What I would give to have a real journalist, the likes of Walter Cronkite, Huntley or Brinkley, Edward R. Murrow or Eric Severeid conduct the debates. Cooper is a pretty boy moron, and I'm being kind here.

I thank Michelle Obama for bringing some decency and oxygen into the room:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ45VLgbe_E
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Post by Jivermo » Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:53 pm

That's for sure.

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Post by Amskeptic » Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:09 am

I am appalled with what is going on in this election season . . . .
If Hillary Clinton Groped Men
Nicholas Kristof NYT
October 15, 2016

Is there a double standard for women in politics?

Imagine if it were Hillary Clinton who had had five children by three husbands, who had said it was fine to refer to her daughter as a “piece of ass,” who participated in a radio conversation about oral sex in a hot tub, who rated men based on their body parts, who showed up in Playboy soft porn videos.

Imagine if 15 men had accused Clinton of assaulting or violating them, with more stepping forward each day.

Imagine if Clinton had held a Mr. Teen USA pageant and then marched unannounced into the changing area to ogle the young bodies as some were naked and, after doing the same thing at a Mr. USA pageant, marveled on a radio show at what she was allowed to get away with.

Imagine if in a primary election debate Clinton had boasted that there’s “no problem” with the size of her vagina.

Imagine if Clinton had less experience in government or the military than any person who has ever become president?

Imagine if she had said about a man running against her in the primaries, “Look at that face! Would anyone vote for that?”

Imagine if it were Clinton who had boasted, “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.”

Imagine if it were Clinton who had been caught on a hot mike referring in a degrading way to men’s genitals and boasting that her prominence gave her license to grab men’s crotches.

Imagine if she had bragged about her attempts to commit adultery — and later reportedly sought to have fired from his job the married man who resisted her seduction efforts.

Imagine that it were Hillary Clinton who had been accused of assault by her first spouse (later recanted) and later of assault in a lawsuit by a business partner.

Imagine if Clinton had defended herself from an accusation of molesting a young man by explaining, “He would not be my first choice, that I can tell you.”

Imagine if Clinton had body shamed Donald Trump, saying that she had observed his rear end and concluded, “I’m not impressed, believe me.”

Imagine if Hillary Clinton had first drawn national attention not with an idealistic speech at the Wellesley commencement, but by being sued for racial discrimination by President Richard Nixon’s administration.

Imagine if she had later been quoted by a member of her staff as saying “laziness is a trait in blacks” and had retweeted white supremacists, including one honoring the American Nazi Party.

Imagine if it were Clinton who had gone through six bankruptcies and compiled a long record of stiffing contractors, from plumbers to painters to lawyers.

Imagine if it were Clinton who had ordered $100,000 worth of pianos from a small music store in Freehold, N.J., and then announced months after taking delivery that she would pay only $70,000. And if the owner recalled: “Because of Clinton, my store stagnated for a couple of years. It made me feel really bad, like I’d been taken advantage of. I was embarrassed.”

Imagine if it were Hillary Clinton who had denounced international trade while manufacturing shirts in Bangladesh, neck ties in China, suits in Mexico and stemware in Slovenia.

Imagine that the Clintons had given an interview to People magazine and, while Bill stepped away to change clothes, Hillary told the male interviewer that she had a room to show him — and then stuck her tongue down his throat.

Imagine if Clinton had boasted on Howard Stern’s radio show that “in the history of the world, nobody has got more hot men than I have” — and referred to those men she had seduced as her “victims.” What if she were called a sex predator on the show, and she nodded proudly?

Imagine if PolitiFact had judged 71 percent of Clinton’s statements that it checked “mostly false” or worse.

Imagine that, instead of releasing 39 years of tax returns, showing most recently that she had paid 31 percent of her income in federal income taxes, she had refused to release any returns — and leaked pages from 1995 returns indicated that she had paid no federal income taxes at all for years.

Imagine if Clinton had rampaged for a week against a former beauty queen, and even tweeted encouragement to “check out sex tape” of the woman — even though such a video did not exist.

Imagine if Clinton had said, “You know, it doesn’t really matter what [the media] write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of ass.”

Imagine if Clinton had been so lecherous that her daughter, at age 17, made her promise not to date any boy younger than 17. And if Clinton then joked publicly that as a result “the field is getting very limited.”

Imagine if Clinton had seemed completely ignorant of nuclear strategy and NATO yet said she knew “more about ISIS than the generals.”

Imagine if the Clinton Foundation had failed to register properly, had made an illegal campaign donation and had expended resources not on saving lives from AIDS but (possibly illegally) on two giant portraits of Hillary Clinton herself.

So is there a double standard in American politics, indeed in American society, subjecting women to greater scrutiny? You decide.
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