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Post by Amskeptic » Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:54 am

This is a whopper.
It is coming down to the wire. Who here knows what is in this TPP?
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Post by Amskeptic » Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:08 pm

Amskeptic wrote:This is a whopper.
It is coming down to the wire. Who here knows what is in this TPP?
Colin
(p.s. only 5 of 28 provisions actually relate to trade)
Well. Colin, I know this much. The Trans Pacific Partnership agreement allows corporations to sue a sovereign nation if any sovereign nation should pass a law that harms or threatens to harm some trans-national corporation's expected profits.

For example, Phillip Morris is actually suing five nations as I type. Paraguay was in danger of not being able to *afford* representation. Michael Bloomberg, New York City's ex-mayor, promised to cover Paraguay's legal bills. Paraguay passed a health law that demanded gruesome photographs of cancers on cigarette packs. It is a health threat to the nation! Phillip Morris is suing them! Oil companies will be able to sue the United States of America if they pass wetlands protections that "harm or threaten to harm expected profits" on lands that may have been purchased before new environmental regulations went into effect.
The Trans Pacific partnership would adjudicate all cases in a virtually secret tribunal.

Who the fuck are we? Are we consumer-subjects or citizens of nations any more?


Obama is supporting this vile putrid proof that One World Government is actually corporate hegemony.
I choose to currently and pointedly despise my president for this specific evidence that he has sold out to a pack of scum bags. That's my opinion.
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Post by Bleyseng » Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:10 pm

:cheers:
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Post by ruckman101 » Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:00 pm

Booooo!

Let me clarify, Boooo! on TPP, not to previous comments.


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Post by Amskeptic » Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:36 am

ruckman101 wrote:Booooo!

Let me clarify, Boooo! on TPP, not to previous comments.


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I might some day actually respect the decision I have made to not play the game.
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Post by hambone » Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:54 pm

We have been raped by corps. It's just going to get worse...
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Post by Amskeptic » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:05 pm

hambone wrote:We have been raped by corps. It's just going to get worse...
They won't even kiss us any more with those sugary vapid ads using soft mood music as they rapidly tell us "maycausebleedingfromeverybodilyorifice".
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Post by asiab3 » Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:09 am

I admid I had never even heard of this until reading this thread yesterday.

In a nutshell:
http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/03/11/gol ... companies/

Where can we find information on the 28 provisions?
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Post by ruckman101 » Sun Apr 26, 2015 11:21 pm

Well they're top secret, aren't they? I haven't been following the issue fervently, but I think I recognize economic imperialism written into law that renders humans just another, oh well, exploitable resource to maximize corporate profits when I see it.


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Post by denjohn » Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:02 pm

Stand with Senators Sanders, Warren, and Brown: President Obama must release full text of TPP
http://act.credoaction.com/sign/tpp_reveal_dems/
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Post by Amskeptic » Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:37 pm

denjohn wrote:Stand with Senators Sanders, Warren, and Brown: President Obama must release full text of TPP
http://act.credoaction.com/sign/tpp_reveal_dems/
Check.
I have the White House on my speed dial too. I have called my senators, too. This one is important.
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Post by 72Hardtop » Mon May 04, 2015 11:31 pm

I'm only for it under 1 condition...

1. All trade must be free of any/all tariffs.
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Post by denjohn » Fri May 08, 2015 5:28 am

So, who, if anyone, benefits by so-called "free trade?" Only the multinational corporations set "free" to scour the earth for the hottest sweatshops and the cheapest labor. Free trade is a global race to the bottom.

Given the dismal track record of such deals, one would expect future agreements to be negotiated in the light of day by representatives of all stakeholders. So, who's at the table crafting the TPP?

"The Administration's 28 trade advisory committees on different aspects of the TPP have a combined 566 members, and 480 of those members, or 85%, are senior corporate executives or industry lobbyists," the Warren-Brown letter asserts. "Many of the advisory committees -- including those on chemicals and pharmaceuticals, textiles and clothing, and services and finance -- are made up entirely of industry representatives." Absent from that table are all congressional representatives.
According to The Economist, ISDS gives foreign firms a special right to apply to a secretive tribunal of highly paid corporate lawyers for compensation whenever the government passes a law ... that [negatively impacts] corporate profits -- such things as discouraging smoking, protecting the environment or preventing nuclear catastrophe.

Imagine a scenario in which the U.S., coming to its senses about climate change, imposes a revenue-neutral carbon fee on fossil energy. According to provisions of the TPP, a fossil-fuel company in a signatory nation could then sue the U.S. for lost profits, real or imagined.

The threat is not idle. In 2012, the U.S.'s Occidental Petroleum received an ISDS settlement of $2.3 billion from the government of Ecuador because of that country's apparently legal termination of an oil-concession contract. Currently, the Swedish nuclear-power utility Vattenfall is suing the German government for $4.7 billion in compensation, following Germany's phase-out of nuclear plants in the wake of Japan's Fukushima disaster.

The ISDS provisions of the TPP are insidious: the means by which signatory nations voluntarily surrender national sovereignty to the authority of corporate tribunals, without appeal, and apparently without exit provisions. No wonder the negotiations are secret.

Packaged as a gift to the American people that will renew industry and make us more competitive, the Trans-Pacific Partnership is a Trojan horse. It's a coup by multinational corporations who want global subservience to their agenda. Buyer beware. Citizens beware.
Entire article at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-prue ... 16416.html
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Re: Trans Pacific Partnership

Post by denjohn » Wed May 13, 2015 12:31 pm

Obama's plans for trade deals with Asia and Europe in tatters after Senate vote
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015 ... enate-vote
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Re: Trans Pacific Partnership

Post by denjohn » Thu May 14, 2015 10:05 am

And one day later:
Senate reaches deal to move fast track trade authority

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos ... authority/
May 13, 2015

Senate leaders announced Wednesday that they reached an agreement to consider and likely approve fast-track authority for President Obama to reach trade deals, a day after an unusual filibuster by Democrats of their party’s presidential agenda.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Minority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) announced a plan that allows for a controversial provision that Democrats have been demanding – legislation targeting China’s alleged manipulation of its currency to make its exports cheaper – a separate vote Thursday afternoon.

Not a part of the broader trade package, the China currency legislation has been opposed by the Obama administration but favored by many senators from Midwest states hit hard by manufacturing job losses in the last two decades.
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