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Re: Earn it...

Post by wcfvw69 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:22 pm

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wcfvw69 wrote: By 1943, the Americans were in the game full force. America had it's immense war industry hitting on 8 cylinders and the outcome of the war against the Germans and Japanese was all but over.
. . . and that is the key to any lasting victory. We did have truth on our side.

. . . we did not have truth on our side in Vietnam, or Iraq, and that is what pisses me off the very deepest about the damage to our young soldiers, to our treasury, to our good name, to this very moment.
Colin
I agree. Our reasoning to be involved in Vietnam was flawed to say the least. After France had their asses handed to them by Hanoi, you'd of thought we'd of taken note. Instead, our arrogant American military thought we'd simply bomb them back to the stone ages. The problem was, they were already living in the stone ages like in Afghanistan. Couple this with the horrific Johnson administration oversite of the war to include not bombing the harbor where the Russians were off loading the armaments to be used against us. God forbide we upset the Russians.
I'd read many places where we were only involved in that war due to a slumping economy vs. stopping the progression of communism. Everyone knows wars are good for an economy.

Steve Ambrose wrote a book about Eisenhower called the Supreme Commander. It's a tedious read. It followed Eisenhowers progression thru WWII. In it, it talks in length about the middle east politics back in the early 40's. It was quite shocking in reading it and realizing nothings changed in that region in the 75 years since. Yes, they are no longer colonies of countries but the politics and how those folks view and run things will never change.

Our big mistake in Iraq was made by the first Bush. He should of gotten Sudam back in 1990. We had all the assets there and the region wasn't as f-up as it is now. I think the second Bush cleaned up his Daddy's mistake for him. I do believe we needed to remove Sudam from power. I don't believe we needed to get bogged down in that mess for as long as we did, costing so many American lives and wasting sooo much tax payer dollars. There is an Irony that we attacked Iraq with our economy is a deep recession post 911. Coincidence?
Amskeptic wrote:p.s. thank God the gunner missed the power plant at the Wolfsburg plant, huh? He was pissed, was it an itchy nose? but he missed and it gave us Volkswagens by the millions)
Thank the Norten bomb site for it's not as advertised accuracy. :) Imagine if we bombed that plant with today's bombs and missiles? YIKES!
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Re: Earn it...

Post by 72Hardtop » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:28 pm

Amskeptic wrote:
wcfvw69 wrote: By 1943, the Americans were in the game full force. America had it's immense war industry hitting on 8 cylinders and the outcome of the war against the Germans and Japanese was all but over.
. . . and that is the key to any lasting victory. We did have truth on our side.

. . . we did not have truth on our side in Vietnam, or Iraq, and that is what pisses me off the very deepest about the damage to our young soldiers, to our treasury, to our good name, to this very moment.
Colin

(p.s. thank God the gunner missed the power plant at the Wolfsburg plant, huh? He was pissed, was it an itchy nose? but he missed and it gave us Volkswagens by the millions)

The truth was there...it's politics that failed Vietnam. Lesson learned? One will never win nor gain a war by running it from Washington.
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Re: Earn it...

Post by 72Hardtop » Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:28 am

1972 Westy
2056cc T-4 - 7.8:1 CR
Weber 40mm Duals - 47.5idles, 125mains, F11 tubes, 200 Air corr., 28mm Vents
96mm AA Biral P/C's w/Hastings rings
42x36mm Heads (AMC- Headflow Masters) w/Porsche swivel adjusters
71mm Stroke
Web Cam 73 w/matched Web lifters
S&S 4-1 exhaust w/Walker 17862 quiet-pack
Bosch SVDA w/Pertronix module & flamethrower 40K coil (7* initial 28* total @3200+)
NGK B5ES @ .028
002 Trans
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Re: Earn it...

Post by Amskeptic » Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:51 am

72Hardtop wrote: The truth was there...
What was it?
72Hardtop wrote: it's politics that failed Vietnam. Lesson learned? One will never win nor gain a war by running it from Washington.
This makes no sense. We prosecuted our war effort during WW II from Washington. What are you really saying?
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Re: Earn it...

Post by wcfvw69 » Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:37 am

wcfvw69 wrote:
Amskeptic wrote:
72Hardtop wrote: The truth was there...
What was it?
72Hardtop wrote: it's politics that failed Vietnam. Lesson learned? One will never win nor gain a war by running it from Washington.
This makes no sense. We prosecuted our war effort during WW II from Washington. What are you really saying?
Colin
The big difference was that Roosevelt trusted his Generals and allowed them to prosecute the war. Yes, he was hands on and very involved but his top general (and un-appreciated by historians, George Marshall) was exceptionally brilliant and talented. Marshall lead the overall American strategy.

BTW, if it was not for the Marshall plan that help put Europe back together after the conclussion of the European conflict, we all might not be enjoying our VW's. :thumbleft:
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Re: Earn it...

Post by Amskeptic » Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:30 pm

wcfvw69 wrote:
wcfvw69 wrote:
Amskeptic wrote:
72Hardtop wrote: The truth was there...
What was it?
72Hardtop wrote: it's politics that failed Vietnam. Lesson learned? One will never win nor gain a war by running it from Washington.
This makes no sense. We prosecuted our war effort during WW II from Washington. What are you really saying?
Colin
The big difference was that Roosevelt trusted his Generals and allowed them to prosecute the war. Yes, he was hands on and very involved but his top general (and un-appreciated by historians, George Marshall) was exceptionally brilliant and talented. Marshall lead the overall American strategy.

BTW, if it was not for the Marshall plan that help put Europe back together after the conclussion of the European conflict, we all might not be enjoying our VW's. :thumbleft:
The Marshall Plan was a moment of true humanity and reaching out. That put US on the right side of history. We were so clearly and horribly on the wrong side of history or truth in Vietnam or Iraq.
Colin
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Chloe - 1970 bus . . . . . . . . . . . 206,787 miles
Naranja - 1977 Westfalia . . . . . 93,996 miles
Pluck - 1973 Squareback . . . . . 55,510 miles
Alexus - 1991 Lexus LS400 . . . 72,113 miles

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