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Re: The Police In America Are Becoming Illegitimate

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:08 pm
by Amskeptic
72Hardtop wrote:Here you go...So why aren't white people rioting in the streets?
Because they can correctly parse statistics?
Twice as many whites killed by police from a population that is ten times the number of blacks, means that the death-per-capita of blacks is roughly 5.5 per million. For white, 1.5 per million.

You are almost five times more likely to be killed while black than white.

So where did you get that picture and how analytical was the copy surrounding it?
Colin

Re: The Police In America Are Becoming Illegitimate

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:19 pm
by 72Hardtop
Westy78 wrote:
72Hardtop wrote:Here you go...So why aren't white people rioting in the streets?

I'd be curious to know how many of those white people killed were unarmed and shot in the back while they ran away? I'm no knee jerk reactionary. Some of these recent cases of police violence against minorities or even non-minorities have nuance and untold details that we don't get to hear through mainstream media. I get that, but when it's blatant pack mentality or pure incompetence on the part of police caught on camera it's pretty obvious there's a problem with our current law enforcement system.

As a person who possesses a concealed carry permit I know that no matter what the situation was that led up to a confrontation with someone, once they turn and run they are no longer a threat and I have absolutely no justification to shoot them as they flee. I also know that as a holder of that permit that I will be held to a higher standard regardless of the situation by society and the law. Why should it be any different for a cop?
There are certain situations where one would justifiable in shooting a fleeing felon...most citizens are unaware of this.

How many are actually aware that the officer who shot the individual in South Carolina did in fact get shot by his own taser? Both barbs were found lodged in his vest front-side. Not much air time on this eh?

Bottom line...you'll never have a fool proof system. Why? Human intervention.

Re: The Police In America Are Becoming Illegitimate

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:23 pm
by 72Hardtop
Amskeptic wrote:
72Hardtop wrote:Here you go...So why aren't white people rioting in the streets?
Because they can correctly parse statistics?
Twice as many whites killed by police from a population that is ten times the number of blacks, means that the death-per-capita of blacks is roughly 5.5 per million. For white, 1.5 per million.

You are almost five times more likely to be killed while black than white.

So where did you get that picture and how analytical was the copy surrounding it?
Colin

It was taken off TV. Stats well we all know how great they are...

The real question would be...Of all officer involved shootings that ended in ones death how many were at the hands of an officer of minority race? I'd bet most would be surprised.

Re: The Police In America Are Becoming Illegitimate

Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 11:37 am
by 72Hardtop

Re: The Police In America Are Becoming Illegitimate

Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 2:39 pm
by Boxcar
So the latest cop assassination in ny nyc has been lept on by the national press.
Not.

Re: The Police In America Are Becoming Illegitimate

Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 2:09 pm
by Amskeptic
72Hardtop wrote:
The real question would be...Of all officer involved shootings that ended in ones death how many were at the hands of an officer of minority race? I'd best most would be surprised.
I just read a fascinating bit.
Black cops are 3.5 times more likely to kill a black suspect than a white suspect.
White cops are almost twice as likely to kill a white suspect as a black suspect.

As cops try to prove to each other that they are not racist, they become a threat to their own race.
And it shows incontrovertibly that we *do have discretion* in our choices to kill another human being.
Fascinating and tragic.
Colin

Re: The Police In America Are Becoming Illegitimate

Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 12:43 pm
by 72Hardtop
Amskeptic wrote:
72Hardtop wrote:
The real question would be...Of all officer involved shootings that ended in ones death how many were at the hands of an officer of minority race? I'd best most would be surprised.
I just read a fascinating bit.
Black cops are 3.5 times more likely to kill a black suspect than a white suspect.
White cops are almost twice as likely to kill a white suspect as a black suspect.

As cops try to prove to each other that they are not racist, they become a threat to their own race.
And it shows incontrovertibly that we *do have discretion* in our choices to kill another human being.
Fascinating and tragic.
Colin
More importantly it shows it has nothing to do with race. A good portion of those cop vs suspect killings are justified, in fact most are. In a perfect world suspects would never run, never carry a weapon, never use a weapon, never fight an officer, never harm another etc

But we all know this will NEVER be a perfect world. Ever.

Re: The Police In America Are Becoming Illegitimate

Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 7:37 am
by Amskeptic
72Hardtop wrote: More importantly it shows it has nothing to do with race. A good portion of those cop vs suspect killings are justified, in fact most are. In a perfect world suspects would never run, never carry a weapon, never use a weapon, never fight an officer, never harm another etc

But we all know this will NEVER be a perfect world. Ever.
Statistically, there is a racial component. You jumped off the analysis a bit quick there. If black officers *feel compelled* to shoot at blacks more than whites, then it has to be analyzed.
Colin

Re: The Police In America Are Becoming Illegitimate

Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 9:04 pm
by 72Hardtop
Amskeptic wrote:
72Hardtop wrote: More importantly it shows it has nothing to do with race. A good portion of those cop vs suspect killings are justified, in fact most are. In a perfect world suspects would never run, never carry a weapon, never use a weapon, never fight an officer, never harm another etc

But we all know this will NEVER be a perfect world. Ever.
Statistically, there is a racial component. You jumped off the analysis a bit quick there. If black officers *feel compelled* to shoot at blacks more than whites, then it has to be analyzed.
Colin

Analyze it all you want. In the end is still shows it's not whites picking on blacks...nor is it blacks picking on blacks. We as a society are MAKING it a race issue when it isn't a matter of race at all. Using the race card is the easy out when no one has another answer. Sometimes there is no answer. In a lot of ways mankind is its own worst enemy.

Re: The Police In America Are Becoming Illegitimate

Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 3:20 am
by 72Hardtop